This weeks #2 & #3 talk on homosexuality

by granada35 96 Replies latest jw friends

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    Truthexplorer, I see the bible as a flawed book written by men. Yes, there is some good advice in it and some sayings of wisdom. But there are also passages that condone and even command conduct that is clearly wrong. The bible condones slavery. The bible is misogynistic. The bible condones bigotry. (See Titus 1:12, 13 as an example of the bible condoning a bigoted view of Cretans). I will definitely not be letting the bible influence my view of homosexuality.

    Personally, the thought of two men getting it on, or trying to imagine myself getting it on with another man, repulses me. But then again, there are also certain foods that repulse me and the sight of people eating them or trying to imagine myself eating them is repulsive. But I don't think less of people who eat those foods. Nor do I think they should be denied the right to open a restaurant specializing in those foods. They just have a different preference to me. They're not harming me or anyone else by eating those foods. Why should I think less of them because they eat things I strongly dislike?

    This is how I feel about homosexuality. I see homosexuals as persons having a sexual preference that I do not share and even find disgusting to contemplate, but I recognize that we all have different preferences and so I don't think less of them for it or view them as gross sinners. I just see them as having a bizzare sexual taste - from my heterosexual perspective. But they're not harming anyone. They should not be denied the privilege of marriage. They should not be discriminated against.

    Another way to think of it is to think of a 7 year old pre-pubesent child. Imagine such a child learns of the mechanics of what his Mom and Dad do in bed so that he can eventually get a new sibling. Likely, such a young child, not yet having a sex drive, might think that what his Mom and Dad do is disgusting or "gross". But will he hate his parents for it? Will he start discriminating against them for it? No. He will continue to love his parents even while regarding the hetero-sexual intimacy they engage in as being "gross". I am like that 7 year old child in my view of homosexual intercourse and homosexuals.

    But let me make one thing clear . . . I am not repulsed by Lesbian sex. O that all Lesbians were bi-sexuals, then we could have so much fun! And before you seek to judge me for saying this, just remember that your own bible condones polygamy. So what's a little threesome among two bisexual hotties and a heterosexual man?

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    I think this issue is trouble for the Watchtower. Thirty years ago having a strict, bible interpretation of homosexuality was common in society and certainly in most churches. Public perception of this has changed considerably, as more gay people have come out of the closet and people realize that they have gay and lesbian neighbors, friends, co workers and family members. People are more informed about gay and lesbian issues and are not going to buy the Watchtower stance that homosexuality is a life style choice.

    Island man, I appreciate your honesty about your perceptions of gay sex. I think your feelings are common, many people are uncomfortable with the idea, at least as first, but I think as homosexuality become more mainstream people will be more comfortable with it and it won't be any more of an issue than heterosexuality.

    Your comments about children being shocked at the idea of their parents having sex reminds of comments my daughter made when she was five. She said "Do you remember when Jason (her brother) was born?". I said "yes, why?" She said "I didn't hear you guys that time" .

  • AlwaysBusy
    AlwaysBusy

    Rebecca 619 ~ Thank you so much for being there for your son.

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    Truth Explorer: As a jehovahs witness, I do not hate gay people, because one day that person might become a Christian,

    How presumptuous to think that they might not already be a Christian. As Jesus sais "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"' . You do not get to define Christianity for others, only for your self.

  • granada35
    granada35

    To begin with, I want to sincerely thank everyone for their excellent comments on my opening experience. I am humbled by the respect and intelligent arguments that many individuals display here on this forum.

    Truthexplorer: Thank you also for expressing your thoughts in a respectfull manner. As someone who spent almost 40 years of my life (as a gay JW) in this organization (in several English and Spanish congregations) I can honestly state that this is a very bigoted organization that is very homophobic. The jokes, the put-downs, the negative gestures and verbal comments that my "brothers and sister displayed" towards gay people can be documented not only by me but other individuals on this forum. I even heard an Elder, a spiritual shepard, who you would think needs to show respect towards all, state in a car group out in service, that he "can't wait till God destroyes all these gay guys!" Yes, this is the culture that many elders, C.O's and by extension, Governing Body members condone. Again, thank you for discussing this manner in such a respectul manner, Truthexplorer. Unfortunately though, you are in the minority in the Witness world when it comes to respecting individuals of all sorts...including gay people.

    I forgot to mention in my openning comment regarding hearing this ex-elder giving the #3 talk this week on homosexuality...towards the end of his talk, he not only raised his voice (almost yelling) to display his disgust towards homosexual people but was actually shaking with anger....and then the school overseer got up on stage and told the congreation that this brother did an "excellent job in delivering this talk!!!!"

    Therefore, I thank God every day that I am no longer a member of this "Spiritual Paradise."

  • Zoos
    Zoos

    Island Man, you're a pig!

    Actually, the custom of the time was for each wife to have her own room (of sorts), her own bed, and the husband would go to HER bed.

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    I wish I wasn't gay, I reeeally wish I found women sexually appealing.

    I'm as innately repulsed at the thought of sex with a woman as Island man is repulsed at the thought of two men together.

    Spending 50 years man & boy as a JW has profoundly undermined my self esteem.

    I've prayed all my life for God to make me straight, gone to the elders many times for help like you're told to do.......IT IS A WASTE OF TIME!

    I listened to them & got engaged when I was in my late 20's. I knew I didn't love the girl but they told me big ole J would help me if I had faith & trusted him.

    As the wedding day got closer my faith was being sorely tested. A loud voice in my head was telling me I was about to make the biggest mistake of my life.

    I prayed to Jehovah so much it was making me ill.

    My 'lack of faith' made me call off the wedding............I didn't believe he would be able to make this a happy marriage.

    I was right.

    The advice I got from God's organisation was wrong.

    A lesson in life I will never forget.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    So, it takes balls to be gay?

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    Zoos: Island Man, you're a pig!

    Did you know that pigs are very blessed animals, sexually speaking? A pig can have an orgasm lasting from 5 to 15 minutes!

    http://500questions.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/33-why-would-god-give-pigs-better-sex-lives-than-humans/

  • Separation of Powers
    Separation of Powers

    @granada35

    I have found that people who excessively condemn anything are hiding something, similar to the American Beauty experience.

    I have been in congregations where the zealot against drinking was a drunk, the zealot against pornography was an Internet freak, and the zealot against all things "gay" was a closet homosexual.

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