Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

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  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Pacopoolio - I suppose these things are relative. Malnourishment by Western standards must be an all-you-can-eat buffet for people living in places like Ethiopia or Somalia during a drought.

    I'm sorry, but I can't help but see your last two posts as a reasonably good attempt to muddy the waters and deny personal responsibility. If that's the kind of thing that's taught in sociology classes then it does indeed seem pointless.

    Let's be brutally honest here - it was MBs fault that he got shot, and unfortunately, died. If he couldn't be bothered with education, that was also his fault. Had he been white it would still have been his fault.

  • Pacopoolio
    Pacopoolio

    LoveUniHateExams, what is a person's decision making based on? (I'm showing you the point of sociology, and what you're missing when it comes to "personal responsibility.")

    In other words, in day to day life, any decision you make, what causes you to make those decisions?

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Pacopoolio - a black guy from a disadvantaged background can say 'sod this!' and do really well for himself. An alcoholic can choose not to drink alcohol; a paedophile can choose not to abuse children.

    Let's be brutally honest here - it was MBs fault that he got shot, and unfortunately, died. If he couldn't be bothered with education, that was also his fault. Had he been white it would still have been his fault. - do you agree with this rather harsh conclusion or not?

  • Pacopoolio
    Pacopoolio

    What level of "choice" do you think people have? "His fault" on what level are you referring to? That's why I aksed you the question that you avoided answering. I can't answer your question without defining what you mean by "fault" in the first place.

    I'll reframe the question - supposing Michael Brown made the choice to not be "bothered with education," did he make this choice completely on his own, or were his choices guided by his circumstances and influences?

    If the latter is the case, then when looking at these things, what is more important to focus on - the choice he made, or the types of influences that caused those choices?

    Do we only stop at looking at direct influences (ie. parents, as some have done in this thread), or do we look further at the influences that created what THEY are?

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    The branches of sociology being referred to look specifically at the deepest level of influences that have the most effects on the largest number of people that can actually be fixed. You look at instances like these and say "how do we fix this," not "what singular person's fault is this. It's about FIXING the underlying problem and finidng solutions, which is more important than anything ,really.

  • designs
    designs

    Case: Keith Vidal- the teenager shot by an Officer in January in Florida. Keith was schizophenic, 2 Officers on the scene had tased him multiple times, he was on the ground. The third Officer on the scene, by reports, walked up to the other Officers and shot between them killing Keith. The Officer is alleged to have said "We don't have time for this".

    What so many of the Protesters world wide are saying is- Can the interactions between Law professionals and the public be less violent, are there better methods of training and interaction that can result in better outcomes.

    Officers should know that even without the presence of street drugs youths brains are not fully developed in the frontal lobe, the decision making areas. Its why youths (us when we were young) joy ride, speed, jump off cliffs into lakes, dare devil stuff.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Chaserious: There was definitely not enough evidence to convict Officer Wilson. That said, it's very unusual for a grand jury not to indict, and even more unusual for a prosecutor to act like he doesn't mind that an indictment was not returned.The whole indictment process was probably a charade, and if not for the public scrutiny the prosecutor' office probably wouldn't have brought these charges.

    Is this (below) true?

    From an FB page: McCullough, the prosecuting attorney should never have headed the grand jury. Bob McCullough's father was a police officer who was killed in the line of duty by an African American.

  • Simon
    Simon

    designs: that has nothing at all to do with this case.

    Do you believe that the actions and outcomes of any other incident should have a bearing on the facts of whether the officer should or shouldn't have been indicted?

  • Simon
    Simon

    How did you get "diet is more of a factor than slavery" from me quoting your "being told to blame the past for their problems?" Being told to blame the past obviously does not equal "slavery." That's a ridiculously large, and obvious goalpost change. Why do you re-frame every response made with things that are not said?

    Pacopoolio - you are the one that has been trying to confuse the conversation by introducing the idea that diet is a significant factor. I have not moved any goalposts - you did that.

    I have simply questioned your insistence on talking for a page about diet and how it compares to what I consider is a far more significant factor which is attitudes to how the historical context of slavery is interpreted.

    More specifically in this case, MB certainly didn't look malnourished in any way. 300lbs.

  • sooner7nc
    sooner7nc

    We are a nation of immigrants, from Europe, not from Mexico and all of these other weird places like Africa" Sarah Palin to Sean Hannity....

    Can you site the source for this "Mr. Nordic" Designs?

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    - 2012 Ladue News - Interview Bob McCullock

    McCulloch is one of those people who always seems to have just a hint of a smile on his face, no matter the circumstance. Maybe it’s there to cover up all the awful things he’s been through, both professionally and personally. Or maybe it’s there because deep down, he knows he’s had a wonderful life, despite it all.

    I went to meet McCulloch in his office recently, the first time I’d been there in a long time. The walls of his corner office at the Justice Center are covered with pictures: family photos, as well as pictures of him with governors, senators and presidents. Since we’re both St. Louisans—and north-siders at that—we talked about high school. He told me he wanted to go to McBride but couldn’t get in, so he took a bi-state bus every day to Augustinian Academy all the way across town. He paid his way through school working different jobs, but loved his time as a guard at Busch Stadium during the Cardinals’ glory years in the ’60s. “I got to see every pitch of every game,” he says with a huge kid-like grin.

    It was also in the ’60s that his life changed forever. McCulloch grew up on the border between St. Louis and Pine Lawn in the shadow of the old ammunitions plant just off Goodfellow Boulevard. His dad was a city cop, one of the first K-9 officers in the department. “July 2, 1964: My dad was 37 years old, I was 12.” It was the day his father was killed in the line of duty trying to arrest a kidnapper. “He was in his police car and heard a call for an officer in need of aid at the old Pruett-Igoe housing project. He wasn’t far from there, and when he arrived, he saw one officer was down and another officer was chasing a guy,” he explains. “They went around a building, my dad went around the other way and they got into a shootout—my father got shot.” Officer Paul McCulloch left behind a wife and four children. Bob McCulloch, the future prosecutor, was now a crime victim. “It had a huge impact on me in the long run. In the short term, at that age, it’s hard to comprehend the finality of death and so that took some time to sink in. My mother was a great woman, very strong and made sure we all toed the line.”

    There would be more difficult days ahead. Five years later, during his senior year at Augustinian, doctors discovered he had a rare form of bone cancer, making it necessary for his leg to be amputated at the hip. A couple of years after that, his best friend—the chum who had always been there for him since kindergarten— died in an accidental drowning. For a lot of us, it all would have been too much to withstand; instead, McCulloch grew from it. “It sounds like a cliché, but it builds character,” he says. “You have these things and you suffer through them and deal with them. You don’t forget or act like they never happened, but you try to understand them. I think all of it gave me great empathy for victims.”

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