by Simon 551 Replies latest social current
Pacopoolio - ok, good post. My previous post was semi-serious and semi-coherent at best.
The point I was trying to make was that denying people agency, personal responsibility as you and others seem to do is counter-productive and doesn't help disadvantaged black people in the long run.
As you can probably tell, the subject I'm studying isn't sociology or some other pointless couse.
I was wondering if you were referring to anyone in the current discussion or not.
"Michael Brown was murdered because he was black" is an errant statement because it judges intent without enough information to properly judge it. I didn't see anyone state that in this thread (started halfway through), but if they did/do, they should be corrected on it. They are probably conflating micro with macro.
Similarly statements that assume that large groups of people are personally responsible for their station in life (and subsequent choices) because they "didn't take advantage" of opportunities or similar are completely ignorant of the ridiculous numbers of microtransactions that happen in someone's life, outside of their control, that shapes the person they are. It's ingoring the big picture entirely.
Are you suggesting that the MBs of this world are 'stupid due to malnourishment'?
Why are you changing a "an important factor in" to "the reason for?" and then adding a little emoticon on the end? You literally made a complete context shift there.
the subject I'm studying isn't sociology or some other pointless couse.
Are you kidding me?
The point I was trying to make was that denying people agency, personal responsibility as you and others seem to do is counter-productive and doesn't help disadvantaged black people in the long run.
You don't fix large societal ills by punishment or playing the blame game on singular individuals. "Pointless" sociology classes teach that and back up the theories with hard math and data. You fix those ills by attacking and changing the starting factors. When someone screws up, you say "what caused this?" as opposed to pointing fingers at the person that screwed up.
If you don't think that helping society is important, then, yes, I can see why one would focus on personal blame on a consistent basis.
Why are you changing a "an important factor in" to "the reason for?"
I don't think malnourishment / poor diet are a significant contributing factor to the issue of violence related to the black community.
I don't think malnourishment / poor diet are a significant contributing factor to the issue of violence related to the black community.
Malnourishment leads to a lack of mental development as a child. A lack of mental development leads to lowered reasoning abilities. This lessens computational ability in school. This lowers grades, education and knowledge taken in, and lowers the chances on receiving secondary education. People who do badly in school are more likely to commit a felony/end up in prison.
This is not a "significant contributing factor to violent crimes" but a completely unsourced "being told to blame the past for their problems" is?
You don't fix large societal ills by punishment or playing the blame game on singular individuals.
I agree. That's why there should be a separation between discussion about societal issues and any individual criminal case. The individual case is always about what happened between the actors involved and the law, not society in general, not how some race feels they are treated and not about policing in general.
It is about the specifics of the case and in this instance people have tried to drag a whole load of crap into the ring and have had to go home disappointed as a result because if officer wilson shot MB in self defense then it doesn't matter what happened in any other case or what those other complaints are about or how legitimate they may or may not be.
This seems to be a fundamental reality that the black protesters and the family don't seem able to grasp. They seem to genuinely believe that if lots of black people have had unjust treatment that the cop who their son attacked should pay for it all.
Stupid people told stupid things.
Malnourishment leads to a lack of mental development as a child. A lack of mental development leads to lowered reasoning abilities. This lessens computational ability in school. This lowers grades, education and knowledge taken in, and lowers the chances on receiving secondary education. People who do badly in school are more likely to commit a felony/end up in prison.
Yes. But I don't think MB looked malnourished at all. I think you are overstating the case for diet being a factor.
What next? There's some chemical in fried chicken and watermellon that causes insanity?
This is not a "significant contributing factor to violent crimes" but a completely unsourced "being told to blame the past for their problems" is?
So diet is more of a factor than slavery?
*never mind*
Simon,
This subject of my response (that you're responding to) was not "why Michael Brown attacked a cop." I specified the exact subtopic that I focused on in the response.
How did you get "diet is more of a factor than slavery" from me quoting your "being told to blame the past for their problems?" Being told to blame the past obviously does not equal "slavery." That's a ridiculously large, and obvious goalpost change. Why do you re-frame every response made with things that are not said?
