by Simon 551 Replies latest social current
holds the same view as many Americans do- describing Africans and Caribbeans living in France as 'thugs'
You are implying that many American't view African Americans as thugs because of their color.
I think the overwhelming vast majority of people only view people as thugs because of their criminality and their color is incidental. Thug doesn't mean black unless you believe they mean the same thing.
Maybe you're too focused on the color of your frisbee?
False. If this were really true, you would see businesses firing men left and right to hire women in order to realize a 30% savings on their highest expense - mainly wages. It is this type of ridiculous talk that feeds the issues in this thread. For some reason you can't see past social issues as the causes of everything. Everything stems from social injustice. Why can't you see other causes? In the case of this thread, for you MB was shot because he was black. In the case of women, well they are paid less because they are women. In reality, MB was shot because he attacked a police officer. And women are paid less because they leave the work force to take care of a family, or choose to go into a differing fields than men. Pay no attention that when you factor out life variables, women often get paid more.
This shows a complete lack of understanding of social conditioning.
There is no -one reason-. This is just basic, basic, basic sociology; first level classes.
AGAIN, there are a huge mix of conditions that create conditions like the wage disparity. A HUGE condition, that you completely seem to have missed, even though it's pretty obvious, is that, from a young age, girls are conditioned to be more meek and unassertive than males, combined with a double standard of women that act assertive as compared to males, that makes them less likely to demand higher pay and career advancement.
This isn't high level stuff - it's just like people just completely ignore the conditioning and brain development that creates the adult, that happens from 0-16, and think that everyone shares the same privilege as themselves. This doesn't take college to understand, it's just dropping the ego, and realizing that what made you, you, is based on a combination of factors from the outside that hit you throughout your life, the most important, being in childhood.
Earlier in this and other threads, you have people making assertions like, "They were given horrible diets as children, stifling their brain development and screwing with their decision making, but why didn't they make the same choices as middle class white male, they had all the opportunities in the world!"
Pacopoolio - are things such as bad diets really such important factors in all this?
I'm a student and therefore eat student food - it's all beans on toast, tinned tomatoes and 18p packets of noodles. Does this crap diet give me licence to swagger around like a bad-ass black dude, and b1tch-slap a punk-ass cop if I'm in a bad mood?
I suppose rich, upper class people, thanks to their comfortable homes, superior diet, polite manners, clean clothes and toothbrushes rarely experience depression and failure.
There is no -one reason-. This is just basic, basic, basic sociology; first level classes.
Exactly, some people want to say things happen for single, simplistic reasons - "because they are black" or "because it's a woman".
But who are the people making claims that things are happening simply because of skin color? If any holistic view is suggested then it's met with accusations and repetition of "race race race".
Nothing will ever improve because all the community can see is their color and they believe that is all everyoine else can see too. There are lots of other issues involved that contribute to the situation they are in but no one wants to talk about those.
Don't know if anyone posted this....... here is the Grand Jury witnesse's including Wilson.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/read-darren-wilsons-full-grand-jury-testimony/1472/
All the 'issues' are on the table and millions here and around the globe are addressing them, this is good, and I hope it leads to more progress.
Exactly, some people want to say things happen for single, simplistic reasons - "because they are black" or "because it's a woman".
But who are the people making claims that things are happening simply because of skin color? If any holistic view is suggested then it's met with accusations and repetition of "race race race".
People that don't have much of an understanding of sociology or stats often confuse and conflate arguments about macro (wholes) with micro (individuals). That's also why they conflate individual success with questions of why large numbers or majorities don't equal that (and also not understanding basic statistics). It's exactly the same as the creationist debate with scientists in many aspects, again, due to lack of understanding of stats, time, or little research into the science involved.
Therefore, when making broad statements as "people making simplistic claims," you need a direct quote with context to counter a statement like that, because there's no way on the surface to tell whether it is a micro/macro conflation or misrepresentation of a quote or not (edit: on your end or theirs). What people are you referring to, here, so we can address their comments, specifically, as I don't know your level of research on broad human psychology and influences enough to be sure that you're relating the two correctly (you're welcome to state your background in this here to share - I never noted it before, and it would provide enough context so I could relate your experiences better)?
Pacopoolio - are things such as bad diets really such important factors in all this?
I'm a student and therefore eat student food - it's all beans on toast, tinned tomatoes and 18p packets of noodles. Does this crap diet give me licence to swagger around like a bad-ass black dude, and b1tch-slap a punk-ass cop if I'm in a bad mood?
I suppose rich, upper class people, thanks to their comfortable homes, superior diet, polite manners, clean clothes and toothbrushes rarely experience depression and failure.
- Bad diets in early development limit learning ability and hurt brain development. Do you want a citation?
- Yes, a bad diet can affect your learning and reasoning ability at any stage of your life. And, as a student, and I'm guessing, younger, you should attempt to manage your diet as well as possible as you are probably at a point in time where you need to be on point as possible. There are good ways to get proper nutrition on a student budget/diet.
- What does "swagger like a bad ass black dude" mean - is there a particular way that black dudes that are bad ass swagger because of their race or something? Is b--- slap a punk a-- cop a quote or something? What are you talking about here, and what does it have to do with black people and food in particular? Are you conflating overall effects on wholes with individual actions?
- As proven by every possible statistic on the matter, people generally stay within the class they were born into outside of small outliers, and nutrition effects development, so, yes, a rich, upper class parent will most likely result in a rich, upper class child, just like the reverse, so "failure" is very uncommon (due to multiple layers of parachutes and opportunities that lower classes don't have). Upward mobility to a higher class is so rare as to basically be statistical irrelevance. What does this have to do with depression, which was not brought up anywhere?
Therefore, when making broad statements as "people making simplistic claims," you need a direct quote with context to counter a statement like that
I thought such statements were already rather obvious. I'm talking about things like "Michael Brown was murdered because he was black".
Yes, it's taking a macro problem (higher rate of black deaths) and trying to use it as evidence that any individual case is due solely to color.
Bad diets in early development limit learning ability and hurt brain development. Do you want a citation?
Are you suggesting that the MBs of this world are 'stupid due to malnourishment'?
