To spank or not to spank?

by Nowhere 119 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Nowhere
    Nowhere

    Thanks for your comments 144001.

    And to larc:

    you have kids, good for you, but that doesn't make you the all-knowing-authority on the matter of child upbringing. I know you can find psychologist who states that spanking isn't going to hurt the children, and likewise you can find "scientific studies" who concludes that smoking isn't bad for your health. It all depends on who is paying for the study and what results do they want. But if you are truly objective and considers a whole bunch of studies on the matter of child upbringing. What conclusions can be drawn from that? Hell, I can even quote he watchtower here:

    "But what about discipline in the woods? Well, we just have to face the fact that these animal mothers are old-fashioned and seem not to have read any modern books on child psychology, because they surely do spank their young. "

    "In the past, children were usually spanked when that became necessary. True, the practice has been abused by incompetent parents. One result of this is that most modern child psychologists are against spanking."

    So they are all wrong or what? Maybe they don't have children and therefore doesn't know what thay are talking about?

    I don't know how to respond to the rest of you. First I have no mental illness. Second I am not a monster for being raised myself without spanking, and so on...

    And I still profess to be a member of the male class...

  • larc
    larc

    Nowhere, what is your point? I asked you if you have children, and have had to deal with the real nitty gritty world of raising them. I think not, since you have not answered my question. For you to cite stats, numbers and preferred methods of child rearing practices, mean nothing to me. You never did answer the question as to how you would deal with a child that is on the verge of killing himself, at the electrical outlet. I am not interested in general theory. I am interested in dealing with the reality of children in danger. Apparently, you have never had children, so don't tell me I was wrong in raising mine.

  • LB
    LB

    Well the school I work for has plenty of children in it that have never been spanked. I see them every day, sitting in the office with an attitude. It's a waste to call their parents because mommy and daddy are just going to love the little booger eaters to death and have a talk with them about their behavior.

    Of course eventually the school has to discipline them. No sports, outside activities and does that help? Of course not because the same mommy and daddy will protest that their child is being picked on. So the kids loose out on lots of fun for their behavior and the parents enable the kids to be lifelong screwups.

    As I said nowhere, I had one son that never needed a spanking and he turned out great. But the other ones? I can't imagine how bad it would have been if I had listened to the experts like Spock, who helped to turn out the worst generation in history with his anti-spanking beliefs.

  • larc
    larc

    Thank you LB, and the kids that have no limits placed on them end up in prison. I do think prison does put on the limits.

  • Nowhere
    Nowhere

    larc:

    There are lot's of ways to prevent children from sticking there fingers in the electrical outlet. One may be to explain why it's dangerous or in that situation to grab his hand and tell him what he did wrong. And I have not tried to tell you how to raise your kids. I only want to say that I have no respect for a parent who spanks his child. I'm not sure you did spank your kids either, you said it happend just twice.

    LB:

    And do you think the kids with the loving and understanding mothers/fathers will turn out to be the ones who kill people and molest children? I don't. I rather think there is a chance that a kid who's being spanked at home developes those mental problems.

  • LB
    LB

    And do you think the kids with the loving and understanding mothers/fathers will turn out to be the ones who kill people and molest children? I don't. I rather think there is a chance that a kid who's being spanked at home developes those mental problems.

    Please don't have children. Or if you do at least be more open to the possibility that your child may need to be spanked. Not beaten, spanked. If a child needs that form of discipline and doesn't get it. Then he/she will find herself in prison as larc said. At the very least this child will be so enabled that they will never make a go of it in life.

    The key here nowhere is you have a closed mind about this. Shut down. I did NOT spank my youngest son, ever. He just didn't need it. He is fine. The son that got spanked is just fine. No murderers. You must have my kids confused with kids raised in a cult

  • larc
    larc

    Nowhere, can you read? This is my third explanation. My son was a toddler. Do you know what a toddler is? He was 10 months old, and as I said before, he was just learning to talk. He was very precouscious (sp) regarding perceptual motor skills. That was a good thing. However, his adventuresome nature put him at risk for sudden death. How many times do I have to repeat myself for you to get it?

  • Faraon
    Faraon

    First of all you have to act with love, take your children to sports. I fondly remember how my stepmother used to take me every weekend to learn how to swim by the lake. I learned pretty quickly. The hardest part was untying my hands and getting out of the tied sack inside the water.

    But seriously,

    I got into an argument with an elder during a meeting because I would take my chilren out of the hall when they were getting restless.He said I was being disrespectul. I told him it was not natural for two and five-year-olds to spend so much time sitting. He told me I should take them to discipline them in the washroom. I raised my voice enough to be heard for at least 20 people and told him that as a teacher in the Chicago Public Schools, I was required to report any child beatings to the police, and I was not going to lose my job by protecting child abusers. I am happy to say that from that moment on the cries in the washroom ceased to exist.

    There was one student obviously in pain. The rest of the kids told me he was beaten with a belt. His back and legs had the clear marks of the belt. He tried to protect his parents by saying that he had a roller-skating accident where a kid rolled over him. I reported them to the police and went to court. They received a one year in jail but exchanged to be on a probation indictment if they went to therapy.

    Never, ever, ever hit a child in anger. A child will learn how to solve problems by what he sees in his parent. I know of a father who never hit his girl, yet when that girl grew up and had girls of her own she would hit them. He asked her why would she do it if he never hit her, she answered that her mother would do it to her and threatened her if she told him.

    Violence creates violence.

    Larc,

    I would have done the same out of fear when I was younger. You acted in order to prevent a deadly situation, and your punishment was not extreme. No jury would convict you. However, people can buy some accident diminishing gadgets, like special covers for electrical outlets, drawer limiters so that children will not have drawers fall on them, rubber stoppers on the doors so kids don't catch and cut their little fingers, locks for medicine and chemical cabinets, barriers to rooms, etc. I had such devices installed but unfortunately my dub ex-wife would take them out and not replace them so the paramedics had to be called twice because they ingested chemicals out of the unlocked cabinet.

    Trauma hound,

    When I was a little child about 7 years old, my parents separated, and my father, (who only hit me once in his life), had me live with my sister-in-law, a psycho bitch from hell. She could have been the perfect JW. She used to take it personally when we did not eat the food she prepared for my brother Mauricio and I and put it in an enema form. She used to hit us with a belt until I realized she got a kick out of seeing us cry. I would then start to laugh at her. She stopped the beatings.

    Meverginia you forgot about the group that's against women breast-feeding saying it brings pleasure to the woman

    .

    I object too, on the grounds it makes me hungry too.

    Rene

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz
    I continue to use psychology rather than physical violence as a disciplinary solutionI love it when people bring up psychology and missuse it.

    144001-

    I am a psychology major and I just love it when people bring it up. In my psychology of learning class we were taught that in order to condition a child to act a certain way punishment (decrease the likelihood of the behavior in the future) is most often successful when certain criteria is met. The punishment must be:

    Swift- quickly (don't wait 2 days to punish them)

    Consistent- punishment equals the "crime"

    Severe- self explanatory. This doesn't mean "beating" the child. Instead a swat will often be more effective especially when the child is too young to be reasoned with.

    One may be to explain why it's dangerous or in that situation to grab his hand and tell him what he did wrong.

    Nowhere-

    Ten month olds can not be reasoned with. They are simply too young!

    And do you think the kids with the loving and understanding mothers/fathers will turn out to be the ones who kill people and molest children?

    I can give you several examples of serial killers and rapists who had loving parents who didn't spank them.

    I have no respect for a parent who spanks his child
    Unfortunately studies show that around 90% of parents spank their children (APAM). So you don't respect almost all of the parents you know.
  • 144001
    144001

    Larc,

    "You said I should send him to his room. That is a great idea. I send him to his room where he can find other electrical outlets, and have another opportunity to kill himself."

    I said nothing of the sort. If you read my post carefully, you will see that I did not state any objections to the manner in which you handled the problem. Maybe you ought to invest in some simple child-safing measures around your house so that the dangerous situations, and the physical punishment you use to deal with them, are minimized?

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