Its Time to get IRAQ

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  • seawolf
    seawolf

    Japan was actually lured into attacking the United States. Roosevelt knew that there wasn't support for getting the United States into WWII so Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum drew up an 8-step plan to get Japan to attack the United States. Here are scans of the memo that was declassified in 1994:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/index.html

    pay particular attention to page 4. There, labed A through H are the 8-steps that provoked Japan into attacking the US. That's the reason when the navy people in Hawaii found out they were coming that nothing was done. Also, that's why no aircraft carriers were there when Japan attacked. What was there was enough to give Japan something to shoot at but not deal a KO punch to the United States.

    Also, there is a book for sale at Amazon.com that goes into all of this:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743201299/ref%3Dase%5Fantiwarbookstore/104-6856444-3755945

    More info is on this here:
    http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/jul/10/nyquist.htm

    Also, there is an article at Pravda (the Russian newspaper):

    http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/25/16158.html

    Edit: I've never read his book nor do I agree with 100% of everything I've read about this topic. I just thought I'd mention this subject and you all can come to your own conclusions.

    Edited by - seawolf on 6 September 2002 14:36:57

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    I think something that is missing here is the fact that once Saddam gets a nuke we will never take action against him. He could take over Sauid Arabia and we wouldnt do a damn thing! Doesnt anyone remember the Nuclear Deterence policy of the Cold War??? The Soviets could have wiped out Europe but they didnt becuase they would get nuked. If Saddam gets the 'bomb', no one will attack him. You think the EU has a problem with an attack now, wait till he gets a couple of nukes! The pansy ass EU sits on their butts until its way too late. Shit, give me Napolean, he had a pair. At least the Brits realize this shit. My God people! Saddam ALMOST had NUKES when we invaded last time! You think he is not doing it again????

    YES, the US, UK, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, France, and lets not forget ISREAL, all have NUKES. But yet none of them use them. (except for the U.S. in WWII but that was to end the War of All Wars and in intospective saved lives.) The reason we dont use them is because someone will nuke us back. Saddam wouldnt give a rats ass!! I highly doubt he would use them offensivly, but he would use his conventional forces to punk the middle east with the guareentee of a Nuclear Present if anyone got in the way.

    Now as far as this whole Isreal/Arab thing.

    1) Theyve been killing each other since biblical times so nothing new. Its not going to stop unless you send them to their corners and put up on big ass wall in between.

    2) Last time I checked, it was the Arabs who attacked Isreal - 1948, 1967 (and Isreal Whipped their asses)

    3) Maybe if Arabs were not blowing themselves up everday, Isreal would be a little bit nicer.

    4) Lets not forget, that there was NO PALISTINE. It was the Ottoman Empire. Maybe if EUROPE hadnt let Hilter pop up, all the JEWS wouldnt have gotton BBQ'd and they wouldnt have needed a new HOME in the FIRST PLACE.

    Realist,]

    Your whole 'its the western worlds fault for their suffering' is a bunch of BS. The US and Europe give out Billions in AID each year to 3rd world countries and what do they do with it??? Their governments spend it on tanks and line their own pocket books. How long have we been giving aid to Africa??? The Arabs hate us??? Who buys their Oil????? Talking about biting the hand that feeds you. I hope we get fusion/hydrogen cells going so they can rot.

    Lets not forget that if it wasnt for the U.S and Europe, the OTTOMAN EMPIRE would STILL BE THERE and there would be NO PALISTINE or any other MiddleEast Country.

    YES, I will concede that the Cold War did mess things up (The Shah any one???)

    But, times have changed.

    Sadam needs to GO.

    'The US has nukes and Chemical Weapons" TRUE, but when was the last time you saw the US military gas its own people??????????????????????????????????????????

    Saddam needs to GO NOW. We should have done it last time, oh well.

    also, this whole "It will turn into a MiddleEAst Hell" is Bullshit. Isreal could singlehandedly kick all their asses (theyve done it before).

    Nuke the Whole Place. Where is McArthur when you need him????

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : japan attacked the Us after the Us had done everything possible to make an attack against them unavoidable.

    : germany enter the war since the US supported england and russia with everything possible.

    What comic book did you get that information from?

    Farkel

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Simon,

    : I will definitely be cheering for 'our guys'

    : Go Brits, Go USA

    That's a given! After all, many of us (including myself) ARE brothers by blood!

    Farkel

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    While the whole Pearl Harbor thing is a little Shady (did we know it was coming?) we were far from attacking Japan. While there might have been some plans, nothing was being implemented. The US Military was WEAK when we were attacked. We had virtually no Army, No Tanks, WE HAD JACK SH*T. I dont get how you can honestly think we were some threat to Japan. Yes, we could have gotten in their way and maybe prevent them from taking over say Australia, but we had no Offensive capabilities. We were not a threat to JAPAN, only a road block. Now if we encouraged an attack to get into the war, well, that wouldnt surprise me. HITLER was kicking the Sh*t out of Europe, and JAPAN was butchering the Chinese and everyone else so we had to get involved.

    Thank God that Hitler was an idiot when it came to military strategy. If he would have listened to his Generals then England might be a little bit different......

  • Realist
    Realist

    random task:

    you are right...there was a conflict of interest between the us and japan...both wanted to be #1 in that region
    the point is...the Us government was not an innocent victim of a surprise attack but had calculated such an attack to be able to enter the war.

    farkel:

    did the us put an embargo against japan yes or no? did the us threaten to block the oil supply to japan yes or no? did the us freeze the japanese bank accounts yes or no?

    the us supplied the UK as well as russia with everything they needed. they also reported the position of german submarines and vessels to the allied forces.

    if you think the Us was neutral before the japanese attack than i am afraid i overestimated you. right from WT truth to US media truth huh?

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Sooo Realist,

    You saying that we should have let Japan continue to rape and pillage without doing anything?? An embargo was the only weapon we have.

    Maybe you should read about the Rape of Nanking before you start preaching about how bad it was for us to want to go to war.............

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    ...Also, lets not forget the Japanese murdered millions of Chinese and attacked them with Chemical and Biological weapons and did horible medical experiments on them. But suuuuuuuuuuure, realist, it was bad for us to go to war.

  • seawolf
    seawolf
    Maybe you should read about the Rape of Nanking before you start preaching about how bad it was for us to want to go to war.............

    no argument there.

  • Realist
    Realist

    crazy
    nice theory...the only problem is that the corrupt governments 
    in afrika and asia are usually supported by the US and in many 
    cases also by the europeans. who supported hussein? the saudis? 
    the kuwaities? the israelis? the US of course! so don't tell me 
    the avarage arab has no reason the be pissed at the US
    by the way...who says the us was weak???

    Edited by - realist on 6 September 2002 14:54:6

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