Analyzing evolution through Laws of Probability

by pomegranate 145 Replies latest jw friends

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  Crazy151drinker

  Well, as far as the law of physics go, they are all OVER the place. Come now people. They are still trying to figure it out, they dont have the answers. The have tons of guesses though.....

  Read about Higgs field, its the coolest thing around (if they can prove it exists..).

  Did anyone read that article in Scientific American where the guy is proposing that the earth is internally heated by a fission reaction???????

  Can someone please tell me what is beyond the boundries of space? If the Universe is expanding, what is it expanding into?? Some endless void?? I guess this is a question that might never be answered- just like evolution/creation. It all comes down to personal opinion that tends to distort the facts.
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  IronGland

  Pomegranite, I suggest you submit your probability insights to an academic journal. The questions you pose have never been considered,much less rebuffed by biologists. My only hope is that the vast academic conspiracy that is Evolutionary Theory doesn't conspire to keep your theories from the public. Did you know they get a clock radio for every (5) creationists they convert? Hang tough. The Nobel Telegram should arrive soon.

  Edited by - irongland on 16 October 2002 17:37:54
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  pomegranate

  Life exists. The probability of it having begun is therefore exactly 1.

  <sarcasm on> Big on math in school were you? <sarcasm off>

  There is not one evolutionist that would concur with that hypothesis. It's mathematically defiant.

  For it to have begun by natural means all that's needed is for a single self-replicating molecule to have spontaneously formed.

  That's the insurmountable problem that is NO WAY a mathematical 1. It is the exponential multiples of the probable chance assembly of each component of a cell, and each component assembling itself without direction, that makes up the first theoretical simplex self assembling/self replicating organism. Which can be calculated with probability math.

  Once it forms and begins to self-replicate, natural selection takes over and the rest is mere detail.

  What about the gory details before self replication even began?

  Before IT replicates, the amino acids have to form. Which, since it's BEFORE replication, means all the aminos were formed by CHANCE. Then after THEY were formed, they BY CHANCE had to be formed into the first polypeptide protein chain using only the left handed flavor. AGAIN, ALL BY CHANCE, no selection.
  
  What evolutionists also don't like to confront, is that one protein DOES NOT make a cell. That CHANCE formation has to happen ALL OVER AGAIN, for the next protein. NOT ONLY THAT, this SECOND protein has to MATCH the one that was just formed prior. In other words, if a car was evolving on it's own, and say our first protein was the hood, the second protein would have to be like a matching fender to fit the hood. Otherwise, NG. DEAD. Play those kind of odds will ya??

  For life to have a supernatural origin, we need considerably more than a spontaneously-forming self-replicating molecule.

  How about an incomprehensible, always been, infinitely powerful, Being with NO beginning? How does the life we know and study eliminate a infinite being the we finite beings can never comprehend, but can only marvel at? Your analysis above is finite reasoning.

  We need a spontaneously forming intelligent, omnipotent being.

  It also could be an always existing intelligent superpotent being that had no beginning.

  I believe it to be so.

  God lives.

  Edited by - pomegranate on 16 October 2002 18:3:19
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  Satanus

  Pom

  Where'd the humongous incomprehensible power source come from to Big Bang everything into existance?

  I read that the net energy of the universe is zero. The idea was that the amount of negative, or antimatter equals that of matter. If that is true, then no energy, or very little was required. What was initiated was a differentiation or separation, a polarising of the neutral ground field into opposites. I hope you don't meet your opposite match

  The universe would just be an oscillation, a cosmic sine wave, as it were(tm).

  SS

  Edited by - saintsatan on 16 October 2002 18:18:18

  Edited by - saintsatan on 16 October 2002 21:10:58
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  Zechariah

  Spanner,

  I think that number is a quantumkazillion. But that is just the beginning. It would take at least another quantumkazillion times that for the formation of reproductive capability after its own kind. For male and female varieties and interaction in reproduction (another qkzl x), for adaptation to environments ( another qkzl x that), for special abilities beyond what is necessary for survival (another qkzl x that). To make the organism perfectly suited to its environment (another qkzl x that). For it all to happen in the same lifespan of the original organism (another qkzl x that).

  Surely I forgot a few things. I'm not a mathematician or scientist but my gut feeling is the whole things of humans from nothing is preposterous. No scientific sounding mumbo jumbo can make me believe otherwise. I can see how science is trying to make fools of us all by trying to make us believe it is plausible to believe it took no intelligence to form and direct the development of our lives as we know it.

  The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God.

  Don't be a fool in Gods eyes.

  Zechariah
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  IronGland

  "I'm not a mathematician or scientist but my gut feeling is the whole things of humans from nothing is preposterous. No scientific sounding mumbo jumbo can make me believe otherwise. I can see how science is trying to make fools of us all by trying to make us believe it is plausible to believe it took no intelligence to form and direct the development of our lives as we know it."

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  Ok, so now will you at least be consistent and apply the same logic to the creator and see where it leads you?
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  Zechariah

  Irongland,

  I'm fair. Its 100% certain that the Universe was designed, and created by someone powerful and intelligent enough to do so. The certainty of this is in contrast to the certain improbability of it being an accident.

  Creation is the only alternative to accident (evolution). The opposite of totally improbable is totally probable (certain). IMHO. Its not rocket science. Nothing else requires explanation because any debate about what method God used to create man is futile and unimportant.

  Zechariah
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  IronGland

  Why is it 100%certain? Because of the complexity you cite? Wouldn't a creator have to be more complex? Following your logic, you would have to say he needed a creator. I imagine you will dispense with logic at this point,because it will put you in a bind. Trying to have a logical discussion with someone who picks and chooses when to use logic is uhh, illogical.
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  Zechariah

  The logic is consistent. Yes it is logical to believe God was created. But if you have followed my "Little Computer People" analogy you will appreciate this. God is the creator of our world as we as humans are the creator of our computers world are not subject to the laws of the created world. Our perception of time and space do not apply to him.

  The quantum leaps superiority of the creator and the difference in nature as the Computer person in contrast to the creator makes it totally impossible to comprehend the total magnificence and intelligence and nature of the creator.

  We stupidly look to understand where God came from before we understand our own special origins. It is like Palmer (my computer man) trying to understand the human reproductive process. It would be incomprehensible for him.

  This is totally logical (IMO). I am fully satisfied I was created to be just the way I am and did not evolve from lower forms of life. Even if so God is the intelligence that made it happen.

  Zechariah

  Edited by - zechariah on 16 October 2002 20:22:32
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  IronGland

  I am fully satisfied I was created to be just the way I am and did not evolve from lower forms of life.

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  You do realise that the vast majority of species that have ever existed are extinct? Do you believe each one of those was created individually by god and then done away with for some reason? Or is it just humans that are unique?