Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz (page 10)

Prisca

Well you know, you ever think, that maybe he seperates his personal feelings from what silent lambs is about?

That is why Bill should have posted his attack on Ray Franz under "Bill Bowen" and not the username "silentlambs".

Hmmm, interesting. Why doesn't Bill post his personal thoughts under a different name then? Why does he use funds from Silentlambs to go on marches around the world throwing lambs at people? Bill is Silentlambs, I think that is pretty clear. So now you do admit that Bill wants the org to go down. He said Silentlambs didn't want that. Where are we to understand what are Bill's thoughts and what are Silentlambs? This is getting to be like the annointed getting information from God. Does the GB consult the annointed around the world to make sure everyone got the same info? Does Bill consult with all Silentlambs to make sure they all want the same thing? Bill is Silentlambs, the organization.

Kelsey I know that was your comment. I just didn't want anyone to think it came from me. thanks.

kenpodragon

TH

As a added note, I would like to say I really have nothing against you at all. Abuse survivors have a measure of heart that some have a hard time understanding. So I understand your passion and revel in your desire to do what is right. Just always remember, people have opinions. Some are like the flower of the rose, in that they are beautiful and colorful. Some are like the stem, in that they have thorns that prick us. In all, a rose is not a rose without the flower and stem combined. Thus, to look at the matters of life. We must take the things that make us feel good, and the things that don't and accept the picture of beauty they really present to bring our life joy.

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Dragon

kelsey007

trauma- when certain things were posted here by bowen and some of his supporters I was so glad. I thought now everyone can see what I cannot share with them. Unlike Mr Bowen I respect the privacy of certain conversations I had with him. They were telling. But I was so dissapointed that even in the proof of lies some still praised the man's guts. I must say that got to me. It got to me because I felt that people remain blind. They want a cause so bad that they will blind themselves just like they did with the WT for years. Its like here we go again. SO what 1975 was not the right date. So what bill told a big one. Open your eyes trauma. The cause is good- the vehicle for the cause is bad. I want to get to canada. So I take the first ragged bus headed that way? I think not. I will wait on one that I believe will get me there. This bus aint going where you think its going trauma. Its taking on passengers that have a driver without a lisence.

kenpodragon

Kelsey

I like you illustration of the bus. I would like to add, that I would like to be driving the red sports car to Canada with the blond hair blue eyed beauty by my side. That way I get their faster, and I look and feel good the whole way.

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Dragon

Trauma_Hound

Why doesn't Bill post his personal thoughts under a different name then?

I don't know, is my name Bill?

Why does he use funds from Silentlambs to go on marches around the world throwing lambs at people?

Really? Wow, then he better give me some money, and all the other people that donated lambs. Do you know what advocasy is?

Bill is Silentlambs, I think that is pretty clear.

Listen to that all you abuse survivors, she thinks Bill the one person, is silent lambs, everyone that's ever donated money, that's helped out.

So now you do admit that Bill wants the org to go down.

Really? Where did I say that? Oh wait I didn't say that, I just love it, when people try to put words in your mouth, when you have said it. Your credibility just dropped a few thousand points.

Bill is Silentlambs, the organization

No he's not, he just organizes it, and runs it, it's made up quite a few people.

kelsey007

dragon my sports car is black and a convertable. And I am with you- to hell with the bus- I'll put the top down and do my own driving. Kind of tired of others driving for me anyway if ya know what I mean...

kenpodragon

TH

I run a business and in doing so, I have to sometimes hear complaints. Trust me, I HATE when that happens, but I accept it. The thing is, when people come to me and complain. They are not complaining about me, they are complaining about the companies procedures and I represent that company to them. Thus, I represent the company in my words and actions. That is part of management responsibility. I actually had to sign a contract stating I understood that when I started. When it goes above me, and they complain to the higher ups. They say "the company" screwed up or upset me. When in reality, it was my employees or me. When we are in a organization, we are the organization. We manage one, we are even more so that organization. When we founded it, control it, and speak for it on many occasions ... well I think my point is made.

Responsibility is a heavy weight that is not always understood until it crushes us.

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Dragon

Princess

Do you know what advocasy is?

Do you know what vendetta is?

I'm sorry I put words in your mouth, I re-read it and saw where you said "hell" I read he'd. My mistake. Oh my god, my credibility went down a thousand points in Charlies eyes. Hypocrit. Bill has mis quoted and made horrible allegations and you say this about me. Did you see the part where I said I'm sorry I put words in your mouth? You will never see this from Bill.

But you know Bill wants the org to go down. It was all over that post where I read the above misquote.

Edited to add that what I should have said is I apologize for any misunderstanding.

Edited by - Princess on 28 October 2002 2:24:46

DannyBear

I[ll tell you who Iam proud of. Princess.

Princess, has alway's struck me as being a very accomadating personality. A person with empathy for other's, and a love for life.

When a person like her, can and does see the reality. Looking at the facts, and takes a stand, that will probably draw fire, from some of her close friends. That say's more to me, than any disgruntled ex-elder, with a grudge against the wtbs.

Kelsey and Kenpo have nailed Mr Bowen to the wall. His actions, his demeanors, have hijacked his purported cause. He has made it very clear, that he will not accept anything less than full support. Woe be tied anyone friend or foe, for taking exception to anything Bill Bowen does or say's.

Abused victims beware. Abuse may come from those you champion to much.

Danny

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