Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz (page 8)

Trauma_Hound

Really kelsey? That's not what he said. What are your motives? Why don't you enlighten us all. In fact where is your proof that is his agenda? Huh?

I think this in-fighting is so important though. As it shows Bill what things he needs to work on. It should make him stronger and even more prepared for the future. I think arguments are necessary at times to make us know our own faults and limitations. I know that more then once, I have learned lessons about myself. I think Bill should look at it the same way. I personally love life's lessons!

Just so you know, I am a abuse survivor. Not a from something the society did, but from something life did. I find that I am standing up often for those millions with me, to say "stand as one strong!" I spend tons of hours yearly with support of these causes. I must say though, what I have seen of Mr. Bowen has not impressed me. I think he started out well, but with my life experience, I think he has made some mistakes and needs some correction. If he takes it right and grows, I would be so impressed.

One thing abuse taught me, never trust any one to the point that you can not accept that they make mistakes. Many people have made mistakes in my life, it does not mean I hate them. I just see them in a new light.

Again, no offense meant.

My thought

Dragon

Princess

Charlie, no one here is trying to take anything away from the victims. We aren't attacking the Silentlambs organization and Bill posting his personal thoughts under the Silentlambs name does not protect him from those who disagree. If anyone is hurting the cause it is Bill. I know you disagree and frankly I don't care. Bill is wrong here and I will not say otherwise. This is a great example of the True Believers finding another mass movement. All hail Reverend Bill.

Rachel

kelsey007

It has been clearly stated by myself and others that Bowen has a personal vendetta against the WT. He is using the abuse victims as a vehicle for his agenda. Having a family member that was an abuse victim of her ms jw dad I am for a good effort in their behalf. Mr Bowens conduct has well born out that his agenda is not pure. It is well doccumented. I am not the only one that has experienced his verbal abuse and true stated purpose. These silent lambs will be further hurt by this man's feeding into thier anger. This is not good or theraputic. Dragon has stated this well. Bowen has motives that are not good for this cause. What more can I say. In one breath he claims compassion in the next he throws abusive speech toward others. I simply sound a wake up call for all the praise the great guts of bowen crowd.

Other than throwing support to this liar- what have you done trauma? Normally I would not ask that but you asked that of me. Have you ever sat with a relative and comfortated her for the abuse that she had as a jw? Did you ever have to bury a 32 year old abuse victim in your family? And when sharing this experience with the likes of the great bowen did you have to endure ridiclue from him as you poured your heart out? Were you bashed by him and his supporters as your son lay in a hospital on life support? Accused of fraud by announcing such? No trauma- my expereince has been that bowen is a heartless sob with no compassion for any but that will serve his agenda. I will spout off on this every time I hear anyone praise the guts of bill bowen. I know what the man is capable of. I doubt you do.

Trauma_Hound

Princess, give me a f'ing break, I haven't been part of any organisation in over 10 years, however I will protect children, in every way possible. It's funny, if you had actually read what posted, he said he makes mistakes, and I don't deny he makes mistakes. So what exactly is your friggen point? I don't really give a flying f^%^ if you agree with more not. You have the balls to sit there and call me a "true believer" and turn around and do exactly what you acuse me of doing with franz. I'm sorry, but franz isn't a f'ing saint.

freedomhouse3

Bill, I am proud of the fact that you are trying to put ou the fires of hate. With the way you wrote your piece to Ray Franz I BELIEVE you Will successfully put those fires out.

Trauma_Hound

Kelsey said "It has been clearly stated by myself and others that Bowen has a personal vendetta against the WT."

This has to be one of the most moronic statements I've ever seen. So just because I say your an idiot, does that make it so? I for a fact, have talked to Bill at length on the phone. I was going to do a PSA (Public Sevice Annoucement) for silentlambs, for broadcast television, and HE MADE IT CLEAR, that he did not want it to come across as a PSA trying to bring down the WTBS. He made this VERY clear. This was long before all this crap started to happen. When I did the press conference in Seattle, I also made it clear to the person that was hosting it, Bruce Baker that all personal things asside, the bottom line of the Silent Lamb org is to help survivors of abuse, not to bring down the WTBS. YOU AND OTHERS DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, PERIOD.

Princess

I didn't accuse you of anything Charlie. I'm sorry you are unable to grasp my point. At least we both agree we don't care what the other thinks of us.

Are you able to form a thought without swearing? Just curious.

Rachel

kelsey007

Trauma- this just proves my point. For he has made the statement of his desire to bring down the WT. Maybe he got wise that it wast a good idea to SOUND that way but he did state his desire. That my frined is a fact for I had several conversations with the man early in his game.

kenpodragon

TH

I realize your post was not addressing me, but your point about no one being a saint is important. You see what I have seen online is some people support Bill with his mistakes, yet point to mistakes elders made that they can not forgive. I guess what I am asking for is a theme to life. Can we say one thing, and then do another? If we do, are we being true to ourselves?

For me, I do not place Mr. Bowen or Mr. Franz on a pedestal. I am no longer a Witness and their cause is Witness related. I do not see any reason to view people in life as divided anymore. I support abuse victims across the board and do not divide my support one bit. If you are a abuse victim, arms are open for a hug and I will help you. If you want to divide yourself. Well I strongly discourage it, love and support needs to be all encompassing. My hugs know no division!

I hope all remember, we are not Witnesses anymore. There is no Witness abuse victims. Only abuse survivors that need to unite to help all abuse victims of the world.

My thought

Dragon

Edited by - kenpodragon on 28 October 2002 1:20:56

Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

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