by clash_city_rockers 105 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Sirona said:
Clash, you are such a dickhead.
Please don't get mad I am just discribing what pagans do in my area this time of year to cellebrate thier thing. Your right about the birth of the sun god. But a sun god worshiper is no atheist, hence sun god woshiper. Anyway I was just descibing what pagans do in my area maybe they do something different in your county.
peace love and happiness,
jr
Pragmatism is the best you can do. You wouldnt receive any presents to enjoy your Pints in a special festive sort of way if it was not for the Christian Church and Christian Theism. What you reject and what you despise is gives the occasion for presents and special bottles of Ale that we all enjoy. When you enjoy your gifts and down you Pints you are basically giving the middle finger to your atheistic world view. If I was a true and consistent atheist, which you are not, I would call you a sell out for celebrating Christmas.
You really don't get it, do you? Atheism is not a religion. I don't have atheistic principles. I simply do not believe in gods. That's it. That's what defines me as an atheist. To be a "true and consistent atheist" all I have to do is not believe in any sort of god under any circumstances. That's all. There's no "atheist agenda" or "atheist code".
I completely agree that without the dominance of Christianity, we would not be celebrating Christmas (probably Yule or Saturnalia), the same as without the dominance of the British Empire we would not all be speaking English. But despite my opposition to British imperialism, I speak their language. Perhaps it's the same sort of pragmatism that led the church to adopt the pagan wintertime celebrations and most of their trappings.
Maybe consistency is the problem, maybe atheism can't give an account for consistency since the atheistic world view is so internally inconsistent. Maybe that is why atheist are so woefully inconsistent when they borrow capitol from the Theistic Christian World View and Celebrate ChristmasHow is atheism "internally inconsistent"? I understand that you believe there is a god, and therefore believe atheism is wrong, but how is it internally inconsistent? The entire "atheistic world view" can be summed up as: "There are no gods". I don't understand how you think that is self-contradictory. Please explain.
Atheism is not for the intelligent, its a lazy philosophical and religious system for those who are bitter and angry with God for some inane reason.
That's exactly what I accused you of, not believing that people are really atheists. You can't conceive how someone could come to the conclusion that there are no gods, so rather than trying to understand it, you think that we're angry with your god and just pretend not to believe in it.
It is a system that doopes it's victims into thinking that they are wise when atheism presents itself as a paper tiger that is easily crumbled at the slightest of rigorous cross examinationYou think so? OK then, bring it on!
If you want respect for your beliefs then you gotta respect others, Clash. You have the fundie attitude alright.
Sirona
I'm an atheist and this year is the first time I am observing christmas... I figured, "what the hell?" Why not? I see no problem with getting into the "spirit" of christmas... family, love, giving, etc...
Yes, I even setup a little christmas tree with presents from loved ones.
But I suspect you really get into Christmas spirit when your singing songs about Jesus this time of year, Like Charles Westley's "Hark the Harold Sings" Set to Mendelssohn's tune. Hmmmm your singing christian tunes.... not bad for an athiest.
Clash, you may be flabbergasted by this, but I don't sing at Christmas. Even after several substantial tipples. If you could hear my singing voice you would consider this a blessing. Trust me.
So, no "Hark The Harold Sings" (is this the same Harold as in the Lord's Prayer? Harold be his name?)
So tell me, what do you consider to be "celebrating" Christmas?
Expatbrit
Question: Linear thinking as compared to what?
Linear thinking as comared to being opened minded. In your mind there's this line which goes from a to b only: an theist does not do anything that is in any way related to christianity. Instead you could see other possibilities, such as atheists like to have a good time with their families, so they participate in the parts of the celebration that are not directly religious, gift giving, xmas tree, drinking, partying, kisses under the mistletoe.
If you think your way is the only way, you're lost your way.
I think the real question is Should Christians celebrate the Winter Solstice?
~Aztec
'defy' 'oppose', etc.
Why do you think atheists are out to GET christians, or something?
See, here:
Atheism is not for the intelligent, its a lazy philosophical and religious system for those who are bitter and angry with God for some inane reason
DING! Your problem! You feel atheists think god exists - they don't. They aren't out to GET christians. They aren't out to PROVE THEM WRONG or DESTROY THEIR RELIGION.
They just don't CARE.
See, your mind appears to be consumed with them (as evidence you starting this thread). Atheists seem to threaten you, and you put a good deal of time into fighting them.
Guess what?
They don't care about you!
While you feel threatened by them, they don't feel ANYTHING about you. Pity, maybe. You feel the need to attack their habits. They may defend, or not. But they don't attack yours - BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE.
You're furiously trying to pick a fight with a brick wall. It neither cares what you think or what you do - your attitude is merely irrelevant.
Aztec says:
think the real question is Should Christians celebrate the Winter Solstice?
Your point is well taken. They've taken a perfectly good pagan holiday and ruined is with christianity.
