I need advise please

by WildHorses 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • Funchback
    Funchback

    Lilacs-

    From AA's website:

    ALCOHOLISM Alcoholism is a rough word to deal with. Yet nobody is too young (or too old) to have trouble with booze.

    That's because alcoholism is an illness. It can hit anyone. Young, old. Rich, poor. Black, white.

    And it doesn't matter how long you've been drinking or what you've been drinking. It's what drinking does to you that counts.

    To help you decide whether you might have a problem with your own drinking, we've prepared these 12 questions. The answers are nobody's business but your own.

    If you can answer yes to any one of these questions, maybe it's time you took a serious look at what your drinking might be doing to you.

    And, if you do need help or if you'd just like to talk to someone about your drinking, call us. We're in the phone book under Alcoholics Anonymous.

    A Simple 12-Question Quiz designed To Help You Decide


    1 Do you drink because you have problems? To relax?

    2 Do you drink when you get mad at other people, your friends or parents?

    3 Do you prefer to drink alone, rather than with others?

    4 Are your grades starting to slip? Are you goofing off on your job?

    5 Did you ever try to stop drinking or drink less and fail?

    6 Have you begun to drink in the morning, before school or work?

    7 Do you gulp your drinks?

    8 Do you ever have loss of memory due to your drinking?

    9 Do you lie about your drinking?

    10 Do you ever get into trouble when you're drinking?

    11 Do you get drunk when you drink, even when you don't mean to?

    12 Do you think it's cool to be able to hold your liquor?

  • Funchback
    Funchback

    More info from AA: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/default/en_about_aa.cfm?pageid=13
    IS THERE AN ALCOHOLIC IN YOUR LIFE?

    A.A.'s message of Hope

    This is A.A. General Service Conference-approved literature
    Copyright 1976 by A.A. World Services, Inc.
    All Right Reserved


    is there an Alcoholic in your Life?
    ... AA's message of Hope

    If someone you love has a drinking problem, this booklet will provide you with facts about a simple program of recovery. Through its help, over a million people who once drank too much are now living comfortable and productive lives without alcohol.

    For six decades, Alcoholics Anonymous has been working successfully for men and women from every kind of background. Before these people came to A.A., most of them had tried to control their drinking on their own and, only after repeated unsuccessful efforts at such control, finally admitted that they were powerless over alcohol. At first, they could not imagine life without it; they certainly did not want to admit that they were alcoholics. But, with the help of other A.A. members, they learned that they did not have o drink. They discovered that life without alcohol not only was possible, but could be happy and deeply rewarding.

    Often those closest to an alcoholic find it hardest to see and admit that someone they care about can be an alcoholic. Such a thing just can't be true, it seems. In their eagerness to deny the depth of the problem, they may for a time believe the alcoholic's promises. But the repeated breaking of these promises and the increasing difficulties finally force those living with the alcoholic to acknowledge the truth.

    Then a desperate search for a solution begins. Feeling that all their love and well-intended attempts to help have been wasted, they become deeply discouraged. If you have felt like this, take hope from the experience of A.A. members' spouses, relatives, lovers, and friends who once felt the same way, but have seen the problem drinkers they care about freed from the compulsion to drink.

    In this booklet, you will find answers to many questions that people asked both before and after the alcoholic in their lives joined A.A. If the problem drinkers laugh at the idea that they are in trouble with alcohol, or if they resent any such suggestions, the following pages may help explain what you can and cannot do. If the alcoholic has already joined A.A., the information that follows will help you o understand the A.A. way of life.

    Perhaps the best brief description of what A.A. is and what it does is this short "Preamble," usually read at the beginning of every A.A. meeting:

    Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.

    The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions.

    A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes.

    Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey Sheri,girl your doing just fine.I know it`s stressful,but thats the lot of a parent....OUTLAW

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses
    Our society tolerates & condones overdrinking. Though we spend a great deal of time & money in the war against drugs, alcohol is the most common & dangerous of the addicting drugs. It is the drug most widely used by vulnerable 12-17 year olds. In fact many young people drink for the sole purpose of getting drunk. There is a hidden epidemic of alcoholism in the elderly as well, so all ages are at risk.

    Maybe I should write him a letter and add this quote? In a letter, I can say things and not start another arguement. I don't want to argue with him. I just can't help is when he starts saying the things he says.

    Hell, if I had the life he's had, I might want to drink too. When his father and I seperated he was one and a half. Me being the trusting person I am, let him go with his father to Mexico for what was supposed to be a two month visit. That two months turned into four years. I tried everything I could to get him back. I even called our congress man, Bill Colby and asked what he could do. I was told that since neither of us had custody, there was nothing I could do, short of going to Mexico and kidnap him. The solution I chose was to go back with his father and win his trust so that he would go back and bring Steven home. The whole time Steven was in Mexico, he had neither me nor his dad. His dad dumped him on his mother and father to raise.

    Even after we went and brought Steven back. I didn't want to just take him away from his grandmother and grandfather. After all they were the only parents he had known, so I allowed Steven to go back for another visit with them before I kept him here for good. I endured 2 years of his fathers abuse just so I could have my son again. After that I left him again. Funny thing is, after I left his father the second time he never bothered to try and see his son again. I know this hurts Steven deeply. He says he hates his father now. In hindsite, I wish I had taken him for counceling. Is it to late for that now?

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Func, thanks so much for all the information. I'll read some tonight and some more tomorrow when I get home from work.

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    I just had a feeling I should go check outside in Stevens car since he wasn't at his friends houses. Sure enough he was out there asleep. It's cold out there! I told him to come in and go to sleep before he froze to death. He could hardly walk, and the car smelt like booze. I'll leave him alone until tomorrow and then I will have a talk with him.

    Please, if he was your son, what would you say to him? I don't want to drive a wedge between us. I do want to show him that getting drunk is no way to live.

    I promise, I will read all suggestions before I say anything to him.

    Shari

  • Utopian_Raindrops
    Utopian_Raindrops

    (((((hugs))))) and you said you didn't trust your judgment!

    You are a HEROIC MOM!! All you endured for you son to be there for him ,love and care for him. Sweety I think you and your son will come through this.

    It is never too late for counceling......maybe even you and he could do this together.

    The idea of a letter is sublime. To be able to put all your hopes and fears on paper will help him meditate on what your saying. He'll probly save you letter the rest of his life

    You know thank-you for asking for advice.

    In just over a years time I will be the mother of an 18 year old.

    Although, I hope not to have the same problems....you have taught me a good way to handle any difficulties we come across.

    Ty

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    No, UT, Thank you

  • Marcos
    Marcos

    Hi,

    This is a difficult subject. Let me begin by saying that here, in my country quite literally, EVERYONE does it. The age of majority here is 18. But even before that the kids begin to drink. There is not the stigma attached to it that there is in the US. I don't think it is a good thing but it is our reality.

    I also began drinking at 15. For whatever reason, I grew out of it. I just didn't want to drink after a while. If I drink one beer a month it is a lot. No hard stuff either.

    My son is (sort of) a Mormon, his mother's doing, not mine. He went through a lot of moral changes when he joined them and I have always supported the moral improvement. He view drinking as a sin but recently he has been doing it. He live with me now. When he was with his mother, he had almost no restrictions. He came and went as he pleased. That is also normal here.

    That doesn't fly with me. He at least asks my permission to go out. I know his friends (most of them) and take some comfort in knowing who he is with. I have continued to be very involved in his life and schooling and laid down a lot of restrictions on bedtime, etc. He has recently finished high school. That was a major goal.

    He knows I am very concerned with what he does and who he sees. But he has often reminded me that "I am a man now" and he has the legal right to do as he pleases. I think most 18 year olds feel that way no matter what the law is.

    I could lay down the law and tell him "my way or the highway". However, that road leads to him returning to his mother's house and having absolutely no restrictions. At least having him with me, we can relate on a man-to-man basis. This gives me leveredge in trying to influence him to do right.

    You said:

    he swore he wouldn't drink anymore and then I find out he has been doing it all along. I don't even know where he is at this moment. I know he will be back. We both told each other we love one another but I am just scared to death he will continue drinking and ruin his life.

    As it is said, they will do what they are determined to do no matter what we say. My best leveredge is love. On the few times he has come home drunk, I haven't yelled or argued with him. Therefore, he comes home. When he comes in, I simply tell him we will talk about it tomorrow when he is sober. He often cries because he knows I love him and it hurts to see him doing something so self-destructive. He has even confided things in me that he normally would not. I don't hold things against him.

    The next day, we talk more. I don't try to make him feel worse. He will ask me if I am disappointed in him. I tell him yes but no matter what, I love him.

    He is actually getting over it. He does drink with his friends but is fairly moderate. He is 19 now and I know that he is going to be a very good man. He will now even discuss Christianity with me now (he always initiates the conversation) and I think he is seeing the falsehood of the teachings of the LDS. I have shared with him some of the things I see on this board and make observations that he knows apply to the Mormons. I refuse to fight with him about religion or his drinking. I try to set a good example of behavior and being a loving father. There is so little of both here in Mexico.

    Your circumstances and your son are different. I cant tell you what you should do. I do suggest, however, that you might try not being confrontational and let your son feel that he has a lot of responsability in his own development now. I've found that being supportive works in my case. Anything that my son perceives as nagging causes an automatic shut-down in him. Listening to him has had a very good effect.

    Bottom line is, he IS going to do whatever he likes either openly (where I can have some influence) or secretly (where the only influence will be his peers). I prefer the first option.

    BTW, I am not at all liberal in my thinking or in my ideas on child-rearing. But I am a realist. I have to believe that my influence is better and will have a better long-range effect on my son than the alternative peers only model that will be the case if he goes somewhere else.

    We must teach our youths to think for themselves and then stand back at some point and let them do it. I cant remove every rock from my son's path. I want to but know that will be counter-productive to his development as a man. Sometimes we have to let them make mistakes.

    Calling the cops is a plan but I think the state is a very poor teacher. They seem to do more damage than good to kids in their care. I think I can be more loving and set a better example. If I were to let the cops get involved with my son here there is a very real danger that he will die. That is not an option I am willing to consider. So, I have opted for being a little more patient. Not tolerant, just patient.

    I wish you the best. There is a lot of good advice here. Sift through all of the posts and find the things that will fit your circumstances.

    Best Wishes,

    Marcos

  • Utopian_Raindrops
    Utopian_Raindrops

    Shari....just saw your update.....hmmmm, maybe the whole idea of rehab is best.

    Arguing wouldn't be good....write that letter you were talking about.

    Make sure he can see how this breaks your heart and how much he means to you.

    AA sounds real good.....counceling.... the works.

    Sometimes familys take counceling together. Which makes it harder for the child to say no to it.

    (((((((((hugs)))))))) gurl....I know you and you son will come through this.

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