I need advise please

by WildHorses 45 Replies latest jw friends

  • Marcos
    Marcos

    Befor I forget, by all means do alert the cops to the adults you are aware of who are supplying to minors. Don't think I would bother threatening.

    Chiapas

    Where exactly is that? I almost ran over and man lying in the road in Saltio.(not sure if I spelled that correctly) I surved and luckly missed him. I didn't stop because my brother in law said you can never be sure if it is someone playing dead to get you to stop and then rob or even kill you.

    here the term "good cop" is an oxymoron
    Not sure about the cops there, but I could tell you a story about me and the imagration there in Mexico.

    Chiapas is the southernmost state in Mexico. I am about 10 min. from the border with Guatemala. My city, Tapachula is more or less on the coast. The city you mentioned is Saltillo (you almost spelled it right phonetically). And yes, if the old goat was laying on the road, going around him was the right thing to do. If you feel particularly charitable, call the cops (Federales de Camino, the only cops that might be honest) in the next town. Murders and kidnappings are common especially if you look American. They assume you have money.

    Yeah, Migracion here. Just act stupid they seem to frustrate easily and give up. Truth be told, I'm not fond of Immigration in any of the countries I've visited, US, Canada, Japan, any of them. Much less here.

    One more thought on your son. Saturday morning, let him sleep in. Kill him with kindness. Heap hot coals on his head. It will keep him off guard. I'm nasty. But it works.

    Marcos

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Shari, I lost my mother in part due to prescription drug abuse and WT self condemnation, one feed off the other. THis went on for years, in fact the only time I remember her not popping pills was when I was 3.

    Alcoholism and Drug abuse, are both defined under Chemical dependency. So I know a little about AA , you go there and you state your name and chemical of choice, be it alchohol, drugs, prescrition drugs, cocaine, crack whatever.

    My mom did well her last time in rehab, and I swear to you, if she would have stayed going to AA meetings she might be alive today. Being a JW you are told not to go there, for one .. they say only God can help you, and the elders,,,,,,, major bullshit lie there. Then the JW's say it is bad association everytimes you go to the AA meetings and correspond with your counselors . They say they don't have the answers , only God's kingdom can make you better. Well, my mom got d/f for smoking in her last stay at rehab,,,,,,,,, most people getting off drugs , drink, when detoxing smoke for their nerves and DT's. It is awful to watch as I bet you know.

    My mom after a few months with AA quit . SHe was very ashamed of what she had done to her kids, her life, her marriage and to Jehovah god, she was so full of shame and guilt. She ended her life.

    I strongly suggest if your son does it again,,,,,,,,, after you plead with him, and have a real heart to heart with letter and all,,,,,,,,,to seriously consider a good rehav facility. I have seen it work, even when someone had to be committed against their will. Once they are detoxed,,,,,, they have rules to go by and they have to answer for their actions.

    In my moms case, we had family marathons on certain days and all of my moms family members where to come and participate,,,,,my dad never went. It was helpful for us all to see our part in her sickness, I was an enabler, even thou I didnt know it. They helped me see that by me, covering for her, lying for her, hiding the truth, was only making it easy for her to do it. Boy,,,,,,, alot of tears , anger and resentment came out in those family meetings. It was painful, yet productive, and she left there an A student. It was only after she stopped all contacts with her friends there that supported her and one another, and stopped the AA meetings, did she slip back into her dark world. THe JW brainwashing came back on her and she felt so alone. She felt trapped in a world she didnt feel a way out of. She still wanted to be a JW because she thought it was the truth. But she couldnt keep going to AA meetings and get reinstated , because they frown on that. Either way she went she hit a brick wall. Her story ended in tragedy.

    My point is , I wish I knew then what I know know. There are alot of ways to help your son, don't be afraid to make him mad,,,,,,, even if it gets to the point of having him committed, and you probably can do that easily.......... especially if you catch him drunk again...... or if he gets a DWI. You will be saving his life.

    Sorry to rant and rave Shari, but my son is almost 16 and has been drunk 2 times, and I am talking to him very openly about it and he is honest so far with me. I am keeping my eye on him, I know how young boys are, most kids do go thru these phases,,,,,,, peer pressure and all. Let me know how it turns out,,,,,,,, I pray to God I don't have to do these things with my own son, but you never know.

    Good luck Shari, and I know you will find the right way to handle this.

  • Iwasyoungonce
    Iwasyoungonce

    Talking from experience. I did it to my Mom too. Finally I had some choices, move out or get in line with Mom's rules. (I got an MIP at 18 too. So did both my brothers) It is pretty common. But don't ask for stats. (I have none)

    Prior it was a long battle between Mom and my lifestyle. I started out at 15. I never went any farther than beer minus a few horrible experiences with hard liquor. Truth is as a teenager parties are fun. It will screw you up in school, work and life. But it seems like fun. These guys are your friends. "Misery loves company." If a person with an addiction problem that does not want help is a lot like trying to show someone in the WT that there is a problem with what the doctrine does to the individuals perception of reality. (They will not listen until they either hit rock bottom or something happens that changes them.) I doubt your son sees the reality of what drinking does to a person at a young age. It makes them less focused on success. Which is the goal, escapism. The real question is how can he afford it?

    When the real world hit me in the face, meaning rent, food, power, forget things like phone and tv. No way, drinking was something I could not afford. And just getting someone to rent me an apartment was such a hassle. Nothing like the real world slapping you in the face to make you pull your head out of your butt. My Mom kicking my bum ass to the curb was the kindist thing she could have done. I thought I knew it all. And with someone else paying the real bills it was all figured out.

    The thing to remember is at 18 he is not wearing dipers any more. He is a man. And as a man if he will not respect you then you will have to give him his first lesson in life. If you crap on those who love and care for you at some point they will stop providing you the ability to hurt them. Don't be a door mat not even for your son.

    BTW is he still on your auto ins? Because if he hits someone in your car or one on your policy you can be sued. And if he is drunk the policy might not pay out. It happened to my parents with my brother. (He was not drunk or drinking) They were sued for 2 million dollars. And they don't have any money to sue for. (It was settled out of court with the ins.)

    Anyway I hope something here is worth using.IMO If it's your house it's your rules.

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    We have so many alchol related wreck here in KC deaths alsoI was furious with my husband when he sat the kids down when the were 11 and 13 he told them if they wanted to drink they could drink in our home but if we ever even THOUGHT they were drinking elsewhere he would kill them. I was so mad but my son NEVER drinks he has taken a few sips of beer in the house and gagged LOL(thank God) My daughter drank on her Senior Trip and regretted it (can you say nipple pierced YUCK) Our neighbor was more into the talking and warning and her son drinks and drives etc. We are lucky the kids know were nuts and would kill them LOL Also I would go to ANYONE'S house that allowed liquor to be given to my children.

    That was how we handled it but your situation may be different, I had alot of alcholics in my family so I never drank much and my husband just drank beer. But my children have seen their uncle be a total ass drunk etc. You might have your son tour a morgue or a jail this might make him wake up. For me it was the history and in school I saw a film with a guy strung out on heroine I WILL NEVER FORGET IT the kid sitting next to me was black and when we left we were pale as ghosts. Sometimes a shock will wake them up. My daughter was always going out at 2:00 Am or later to pick up kids that called her that were drunk, she always told them if they were going to be dumb at least call her if they couldn't drive. I always worried she would get hit by the one that didn't call.

    Parenting is hard remember just when you think they don't care or listen POOOF they get a brain. My daughter didn't hardly talk to me for two years then she had her daughter (my girl is 20) and I am now the all knowing MOM LOL But I NEVER dreamed it would happen. So have faith they do come around, but now before they drive us to the nut house

    I hope this has helped in someway

  • FrankyFourVests
    FrankyFourVests

    Legal drinking age has little to do with was a person can easily do. Your son is a kid, his friends are going to drink and so is he. That's a given. Calling him an alcoholic isn't going to win him to your side. All you are doing is making him become better at hiding his drinking. Give him some space.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    ((((((((shari)))))))))

    I'm so glad that your son was found safe and well (at least better than if he'd been sleeping in some gutter somewhere). The fact that he was in his car and the car smelt of alcohol is worrying - does he drive whilst under the influence? If so, the guy needs a reality check. Regardless of his age, drinking and driving is stupid, as well as dangerous. DUI is treated really seriously here in Aust, I don't know about the States.

    I think writing a letter might be the best way of getting your thoughts and feelings across to him, and it's the most non-confrontive way. Leave it where he can see it when he wakes up, and he can read it in his own time.

    Hang in there Lilacs - you're a caring Mum trying to do the best you can, and that makes you a GREAT MUM!

  • ugg
    ugg

    sounds like he already has a problem....i think perfessional help is needed...and soon...

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( lilacs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) sending cyber hugs and lots of them...

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Though YOU care, does HE? Will he accept professional help? All your preaching and yelling will not make matters easy for him. There's more to this problem than what meets the eye. This is a 'deeper' problem and he needs someone that he can trust and open up to. Be patient and understanding. Yelling ,screaming is not the solution, if anything, it will add to the problem.

    Guest 77

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    Have you ever considered taking him to the morgue?

    Call your local morgue and ask someone to notify you for any cases they have that is related to alcoholism, such as death from DUI, chronic liver damage from drinking, etc. and then ask them to call you so you can then grab your son and take them there to pay the morgue a visit.

    This may help scare him straight.

  • BadJerry
    BadJerry

    This has got to be tough...not sure if there are active AA members here, but if not, one of they guy's on my software team is and has been for over twenty years. He started on his downward spiral path in his teens, hit bottom in his early twenties, and climbed back into society over several years. Great guy and would be willing to exchange some thoughts on the subject. Email me if you'd like to visit with him. He's helped alot of people like your son....

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