I was speaking as to WMD, Wasa.
As for the Native Americans, we have done everything since to correct our terrible mistakes. These are admitted mistakes.
The difference is, Saddam thinks what he is doing is perfectly ok.
ash
UN FINDS WMD...OK saddam lovers, what now?
by dolphman 280 Replies latest social current
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Trauma_Hound
We haven't killed thousands of our own people like Saddam has....the US has made mistakes in our own country, has admitted them, and has paid for them.
Oh really? What about all of our own people that have died, because of spent uranium munitions, since the gulf war?
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Trauma_Hound
As for the Native Americans, we have done everything since to correct our terrible mistakes. These are admitted mistakes.
You mean like not legaly reconising the Suquamish tribe in the Seattle area, Chief Seattle's tribe, the city that was named after him?
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wasasister
I was speaking as to WMD, Wasa.
I suppose to your average Navajo trooper, a flint rifle WAS a WMD.
As for the Native Americans, we have done everything since to correct our terrible mistakes. These are admitted mistakes.
If by shoving them off onto reservations and granting them a Casino license you mean "everything", then sure, that's great.
The difference is, Saddam thinks what he is doing is perfectly ok.
And so did we when we were anihilating the Indians, killing them with bullets, measles, and smallpox. We now have the benefit of a couple-hundered years of hindsight to be "sorry".
Edited by - wasasister on 17 January 2003 13:28:6
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ashitaka
True enough, Wasa, and TH. Can't argue with you there.
I have more to say,
you are implying that the sanity level of saddam hussein, and the government we have in place are on equal planes. if that were so, i dont think wed be having this debate, because no one would be after him in the first place!
something along those lines
but they are breathing down my neck here at work, and they're gonna kill me if I don't do come calls soon, check u guys later.
ash
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Crazy151drinker
TH,
They have a new 120MM round that has a tungsten core.
How many us troops would have died if we DIDNT have depleted uranium weapons?? Hard to say. Hind site is always 20/20 unless your Paranoid.
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dubla
realist (and anyone else believing saddam does NOT have wmd)-
a saddam quote, from today:
The people of Baghdad have resolved to compel the Mongols of this age to commit suicide on its walls, Saddam said, referring to the United States. Everyone who tries to climb over its walls ... will fail in his attempt.
so, saddam thinks any attempt at overthrowing his government, by force, will fail. so, is he foolishly confident because he is a madman who thinks he cannot be overtaken? or is he confident because he knows he has wmd to use in defense? either way, one of your points/opinions must be incorrect. let me know which one you think it is.
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Realist
dubla,
he probably helped fund 9/11 for all i know. for all any of us know, hes got visions of someday ruling the world.....hes a madman, who knows what his exact plans are?
i am sorry i don't see you showing ANY evidence for what you say.
everyone will agree that the CIA is trying as hard as possible to link hussein to the 911 attack....they failed to do so.
therefore as far as we know Hussein had of course nothing to do with it.
about his latest speach,
this is directed mainly to his own people not to the west!
in the immanent war thousadns of innocent iraqies will die and not a single US plane will be lost!
ashikita,
the US actually killed thousands of its own people....all the soldiers stationed at the bikini atoll and in the nevada dessert that died from radiation (+ many people who died from illegal bio and chem weapon tests). furthermore the thousands of soldiers that were killed for wars that were NOT in the interest of the US public.
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ashitaka
I definitely agree that the incompetant boobery of the US was terrible when they were testing nukes, but this is hardly genocide against people who aren't like you, it's an incredibly stupid blunder.
furthermore the thousands of soldiers that were killed for wars that were NOT in the interest of the US public.
This is not an arguable point. This is about Saddam and his gassing his own people, not about wars.....every nation over time has fought worthless wars. It doesn't make it right for any of the nations involved, nor does it negate the fact that Saddam is killing his people now.
Whatever any nation has done in the past does not negate what Saddam is doing now. That would be like saying that opposing the child slave trade is hypocritical because we once were a slave-nation. It's not. Sometimes, nations, just like people, grow wiser with age.
(If possible, don't write 3,000 lines about why the US is not wise. Let's just both agree that the US isn't wise and I'll save myself a third argument.)
ash
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cellomould
Why do people keep talking about 'Saddam killing his own people'?
One thing needs to be made clear: U.S. foreign policy isn't interested in ending genocide all around the world. A good example was the continued support of Indonesia despite that governments' very sinister deeds in East Timor. Read about how the U.S. and other nations frustrated the goals of UN resolutions. http://www.officeoftheamericas.org/books/genocide_in_paradise/genocide_9.htm
Back to the subject of Iraq...here is a good article from an insider at the Center for Nonproliferation Studies (CNS)
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/other/unleash.htm
It describes the circumstances under which Saddam would be most likely to use and/or sell to terrorists weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
cellmould