by MrMoe 103 Replies latest jw friends
Xander,
We know he watches films of rapes because his former mistress came on TV and said so. Oh, that's right, the US Press lies, but Saddam is quite honest. F*ing geek, get a clue. Saddam is evil incarnate.
Petty,
If all those countries you edited to "add" were true, then why is it that We have troops in Jordan, Turkey, Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar right now ready for the war?
Xander said:
Just throwing out a dictator, telling everyone 'okay, you can vote now', trying to explain what voting MEANS and how it is a POWER for them, etc. just doesn't work.
Case in point is Afganistan. I understand that after the over throw of the Taliban, the warlords took over and some of them are as bad as the Taliban.
Will
after the over throw of the Taliban, the warlords took over and some of them are as bad as the Taliban
Ding! Exactly what I'm talking about.
his former mistress came on TV and said so
You remember how Arabs treat women, right? I'm sure a "former mistress" of any Arab man would have some quite flattering things to say about him, especially if being prodded by the western press. (IOW, I don't believe her, she has several motives to lie, and that she just happens to tell the world at large exactly what they want to hear, but could never prove, well I'm sure that's just seredipity at work).
Saddam is evil incarnate
If he is, the 'West' is no better.
You have yet to come up with ANY crime he has committed, that has never been done by the US or any US ally.
BTW, since you have a habit of misunderstanding me, let me clarify:
That the 'West' is no better DOES NOT MEAN I CONDONE HIS ACTIONS.
I am merely stating that the US can be no judge of them, as this nation has done far worse in its history.
A question to all the ex-JWs on this thread...if you were dumb enough to fall for JW beliefs for how ever many years, how are you so sure that you are not being misled into backing this war that could result in the deaths of so many people? It amazes me how "patriotic" people can get to the point where they are backing a war and are willing to sacrifice the lives of many others based on information that could very well be tainted and their own illogical conclusions. Maybe I need to move to Switzerland.
amac,
BRAVO ! very well put !
how are you so sure that you are not being misled into backing this war that could result in the deaths of so many people? It amazes me how "patriotic" people can get to the point where they are backing a war and are willing to sacrifice the lives of many others based on information that could very well be tainted and their own illogical conclusions.That is just utter bullshit. Th e entire world has agreed that Saddam is in material breach of 16 UN resolutions designed to increase world security. The final resolution (1441) warned IRAQ of the serious consequences of non-compliance. Within the next few days, we will get the full story of Iraq's deception. Every day now more information is being declassified and released. The weapons inspectors will deliver their report shortly. And, Bush will address the US next Tuesday night. People are disputing the morality of enforcing the UN resolutions, not whether or not the violations are real or not. The only illogical conclusiuons here are the ficticous phobias you are regurgitating. Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions
Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated sixteen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent UN economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people. Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:
UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990
UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991
UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991
UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991
UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991
UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994
UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996
UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996
UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997
UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997
UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997
UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998
UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998
UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998
UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999
08 November 2002
U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441
Security Council Tightens Iraqi Disarmament Regime
United Nations -- The Security Council unanimously adopted a resolution November 8 strengthening the weapons inspection regime for Iraq and giving Baghdad, in the words of the resolution, "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations."
The resolution, number 1441, establishes an enhanced inspection regime for Iraq's disarmament, which will be carried out by the U.N. Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
All 15 council members voted for the resolution: permanent members China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States; and non-permanent members Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Guinea, Ireland, Mauritius, Mexico, Norway, Singapore, and Syria.
The resolution states that Iraq remains in material breach of council resolutions relating to Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait and requires that Baghdad give UNMOVIC and IAEA a complete and accurate declaration of all aspects of its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs and ballistic missiles systems, as well as information on other chemical, biological, and nuclear programs that are supposed to be for civilian purposes, within 30 days.
It gives UNMOVIC and IAEA, among other things, unrestricted rights of entry and travel into and throughout Iraq; provides for U.N. security for the inspectors; gives the inspectors the right to freeze sites and declare exclusion zones; and gives them the right to conduct interviews, either inside or outside the country, without the presence of Iraqi officials. Most importantly, it gives the inspectors immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to all sites in Iraq, including so-called presidential sites.
The resolution directs Hans Blix, executive chairman of UNMOVIC, and Mohamed ElBaradei, IAEA director general, to "report immediately to the council any interference by Iraq with inspection activities as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations." The council will then "convene immediately ... in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security," it says.
Finally, it warns Iraq that "it will face serious consequences" if it continues to violate its obligations as spelled out in the resolution.
Edited by - Perry on 24 January 2003 7:8:39
funny that you view resolutions against hussein as rightous and resolutions against israel as antisemitic.
i would say the world should do the following...
first remove hussein
then put a boycott on israel and force it out of the occupied territories. force it to destroy its weapons of md and to pay reparations to the victims of the israeli occupation.
if israel doesn't comply then the allied forces willd eclare war on israel and force it to comply.
after the world has dealt with israel its time to remove the saudi, kuwaiti etc. regimes....
and in the end lets not forget about the good old USA.
give the territories back that were taken from the indians, the mexicans ...pay reparation to these people and to the decendents of the slaves...reparations to the victims of US bombardments, destroy all WMD etc.etc.
same rights to all?! i am certain you would never support any double standards would you?
Realist, TH, and Xander,
Help me understand your hatred of the United States. It TRULY baffles me. You'd rather trust the word of a lunatic than that of the government. You excuse and defend the actions of Hussein at every turn.
You ignore that with the UN resolutions against Israel there are no "consequences" whereas, with the Iraq resolutions there are. Your vaunted UN apparently finds what Hussein is doing worse than what you think Israel is doing.
For all you Pro Palestinian folks out there. Those terretories wouldn't be "occupied" had the Palestinians not used them to attack Israel from. Israel who was gauranteed existence by the UN you so favor.
To whomever said that the Iraqi people wouldn't appreciate being liberated by the US I offer this. WHEN the US takes out the Iraqi government, if the people of Iraq do not celebrate this fact and thank America my next charitable contribution will go to the charity of Simon's choosing.
The guy is evil, when we take him out, we'll find a lot of his weapons of mass destruction, and that still won't be enough for the America haters.
Realist,
Once again you back peddle when faced with facts. The Israeli issue is a non-issue as far as Iraq is concerned. Besides, it has been thoroughly covered on previous threads. Why don't you comment on it there?
Because you cannot deny the indisputable flagrant evil that is threatening the world, you erect a straw man that you feel is more easily defended. So very sad to see you waste your energy with such faulty arguments.
