The Bush family Nazi collaboration timeline
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Jan. 1933: Hitler assumes power in Germany.
Mar. 29 1933: As revealed in Moshe Gottlieb's book "American Anti-Nazi
Resistance '33 - '41", Max Warburg's son, Erich, cabled his cousin, Frederick
Warburg - who was a director of the Union Pacific Railroad - instructing him to
use his influence to stop all anti-Nazi propaganda & activity in America.
Mar. 31 1933: As a result: the American-Jewish committee (within which the
Warburgs had much influence) & The B'nai B'rith (which subsequently became known
as the Anti-Defamation League) issued a joint statement counselling "that no
American boycott against Germany be encouraged"!
Nov. 4 1933: American Ship & Commerce Corp. (owners of Hamburg-Amerika - see
above) installed long-time Harriman executive, Christian Beck as manager of
'freight & operations' in North America for this newly-merged company, now known
as Hapag-LLoyd, whose chairman was Emil Helfferich, a Nazi. Nazi security guards
accompanied all shipping so engaged in this trade.
Sept. 1934: At the US Senate Nye Committee hearings, it was revealed that Samuel
Pryor, executive ctte. chairman of Remington arms & founding director of both
the UBC & the American Ship & Commerce Corp., had joined in a cartel agreement
with I. G. Farben, the German chemical/armaments conglomerate (see above). It
was further revealed that the Nazi troops (noted above) were "nearly all armed
with American guns".
Dec. 7 1941: Japanese bomb Pearl Harbour - US now in World War 2.
Aug. 28 1942: Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the US government - via Leo
T. Crowley, the US Alien Property Custodian - ordered the seizure of all
property of Hapag-Lloyd.
Oct. 20 1942: Leo T. Crowley, the US Alien Property Custodian - seized the stock
shares of the Union Banking Corp. of New York, whose shareholders were:
Chm./Dir. E. Rowland ('Bunny') Harriman (of Brown Brothers Harriman); Pres./Dir.
Cornelis Lievense (banking functionary for the Nazis); Treasurer/Dir. Harold D.
Pennington (of Brown Brothers Harriman); Dir. Ray Morris (of Brown Brothers
Harriman); Dir. Prescott S. Bush Snr.(of Brown Brothers Harriman); Dir. H.J.
Kouwenhoven (Dir./Chief foreign financial exec. of German Steel Trust & the man
who had brokered the deal between Fritz Thyssen & the UBC); Dir. Johann G.
Groeninger (Industrial Exec. in Nazi Germany). These seized shares were
described in the Vesting Order as "shares held for the benefit of members of the
Thyssen family, property of nationals..of a designated enemy country".
Oct. 28 1942: US government seized 2 Nazi front companies - the Seamless Steel
Equipment Corp & Holland-American Trading Corp. - both run by the Union Banking
Corporation.
France & Germany Take the Same Stance
by MrMoe 103 Replies latest jw friends
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Pleasuredome
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pettygrudger
Somebody better adjust the topic to also include China in this equation now, as they have jumped on board with France & Germany.
Editted to add Turkey, Saudi Arabia & Iran.
Editted to add Russia
Editted to add Egypt, Syria, Jordan
Edited by - pettygrudger on 23 January 2003 11:14:15
Edited by - pettygrudger on 23 January 2003 11:17:39
Edited by - pettygrudger on 23 January 2003 11:46:28
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Englishman
Something tells me that all these non-war countries are more interested in cocking a snook at America than they are in preserving world peace.
Englishman.
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Xander
Really?
You think they care so little for their own populations that, although they are in imminent danger from a 'raving lunatic madman', they are willing to put their entire countries in jeopardy, their whole population and their history on the line, just to piss the US off?
Or, is it maybe, that they are not run by bureaucrats who've sunk billions of dollars into oil in the region and led by a leader with a chip on his shoulder to finish his fathers war, and can thus see things a little more objectively?
'Everyone is wrong but us'? Gawsh, where have I seen THAT reasoning before....
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Crazy151drinker
Xandar,
The Chinese would love nothing more than to see America fall on its face. Do you think the Chinese care about world peace??? Their own people??? Come on!!!!
China has propped up N. Korea for YEARS! It was China who invaded Korea to push back U.S. forces. China would love to see us get into some horrible war!! That way they could invade Taiwan. Lets not forget that China has invested Billions in Iraq and doesnt want to lose it.
Russia has invested Billions in Iraq and doesnt want to lose it.....
Speaking of, where are all the Anti-Russian protests on this Board??? They are having a WAR in Chechnya and I dont see any Anit-Russian protests.........
France?? France wants to be a big kid on the block and does not want to lose the money its invested in Iraq.
The Middle Eastern countries dont even count. They do not want us to get rid of Saddam and set up a democracy.
EVERYONE has an AGENDA Xandar!! Its not some "Oh the U.S. is sooo bad, this war is soooo Bad...." Wake up.........
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William Penwell
I said that it is too bad that we as civilized people of the 21 century can not resolve our differences without war. I mean really how far have we advanced in thousands of years of human civilization? In this issue we always want to gravitate to the lowest human denominator. "My sick is bigger than yours". Its street mentality. Someone has to take the higher ground and become an example for the other nation. Go through the proper channels like the UN and see if they can resolve the issue peacefully. I am not saying that war may be necessary but it should only be used as a last resort. It just seems that Bush and company is bent on war no matter what evidence may be presented to them to the contrary.
Will
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Perry
Brother Penwell,
Please share with us this "evidence" that the US has been presented with that Saddam has disarmed?
Prime Minister's Iraq statement to Parliament
In a statement to Parliament concerning Iraq the Prime Minister Tony Blair said: 'And if people say: why should Britain care? I answer: because there is no way that this man, in this region above all regions, could begin a conflict using such weapons and the consequences not engulf the whole world'.
The Prime Minister said that Iraq's chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programme is 'not an historic leftover from 1998'. The Prime Minister stressed that Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) programme is 'active, detailed and growing'. He said:
"The policy of containment is not working. The WMD programme is not shut down. It is up and running."
Introducing the Joint Intelligence Committee dossier on Iraq's WMD programme, Mr Blair said that the intelligence picture they paint is extensive, detailed and authoritative.
Mr Blair said:
"It concludes that Iraq has chemical and biological weapons, that Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including against his own Shia population; and that he is actively trying to acquire nuclear weapons capability."
The dossier reveals that Iraq has been trying to buy significant quantities of uranium from Africa, although it is not known whether he has been successful.
Mr Blair continued:
"That is the position in respect of weapons. But, of course, the weapons require ballistic missile capability. This is again subject to UN disarmament resolutions."
'Iraq is supposed only to have missile capability up to 150 km for conventional weaponry', said the Prime Minister. He said:
"...it is clear both that a significant number of longer-range missiles were effectively concealed from the previous inspectors...and by this year, Iraq's development of weapons with a range over 1,000 kms was well underway."
The Prime Minister said that 'sanctions and import controls have hindered this programme' but had 'only slowed its progress'.
Having outlined the evidence against the Iraqi regeime, Mr Blair said:
"The threat therefore is not imagined. The history of Saddam and WMD is not American or British propaganda. The history and the present threat are real."
"And if people say: why should Britain care? I answer: because there is no way that this man, in this region above all regions, could begin a conflict using such weapons and the consequences not engulf the whole world."
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Realist
mr. blair talked for 2 hours without presenting a shred of evidence. they know exactly what iraq has and does yet they don't give this information neither to their allies nor to the UN inspectors...HOW CONVINCING AND CONVINIENT!
crazy,
do you have an idea why the chinese are against the US? any idea? and historical reasons maybe? huh?
pleasuredome,
hilarious picture!
Yeru,
I'm still making the connection between Atta and the Iraqis.
yes but you are the ONLY ONE on this f**** planet who still does that!
Edited by - realist on 23 January 2003 17:24:4
Edited by - realist on 23 January 2003 17:39:54
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MrMoe
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/crimestext3.htm
This site is produced and maintained by the U.S. Department of State's Office of International Information Programs ( usinfo.state.gov ).
Since some of you wish to defend Saddam... (some pictures were too graphic to post here -- real photos not comics) from US government links.
Saddam's Brutality Against the Iraqi People
Saddam Hussein's Anfal Campaign in the 1980s against the predominantly Kurdish civilians in northern Iraq was characterized by gross violations of human rights. It included the worst ever chemical weapons attack against a civilian population, mass summary executions, disappearances, arbitrary jailing and warehousing, forced displacement, and destruction of some 2,000 villages (4,000 destroyed since 1975), including schools, mosques, farms, and power stations. The campaign resulted in the death of at least 50,000 to 100,000 Iraqi Kurds, according to Human Rights Watch reports. During the 1991 Iraqi repression of the post-Gulf war Kurdish insurrection, thousands of Iraqi Kurds died, 500,000 became refugees along northern Iraq's "no-fly zone" bordering Turkey, and 1.2 to 1.4 million other refugees fled to Iran.
Saddam Hussein launched about 40 gas attacks against Iraqi Kurdish villages and targets in 1987-88 with thousands killed, including the largest attack in March 1988 on Halabjah, a Kurdish town of 45,000 in northern Iraq, causing 3,500 to 5,000 deaths, according to Human Rights Watch. Chemical agents used were a "cocktail" of Mustard gas (which affects skin, eyes, and the membranes of the nose, throat, and lungs), and the nerve gases Sarin, Tabun, and VX.
Gas bombing of the town of Halabjah in 1988, seen from a distance.
An excerpt of a quarterly report (shown below) indicates Iraqi aircraft bombed the headquarters of the "sabotage bands" (Iraqi code word for Kurdish resistance) in Iraq's Kurdish villages of Sayw Sanan (Saywan) and Balakajar in a chemical strike on 22 March 1988, killing 50 and wounding 20 others. This Iraqi state document contains the first official direct reference to a chemical attack carried out by Iraqi forces. http://usembassy.state.gov/tokyo/wwwhse0040.html
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Pentagon Briefing
September 30, 2002Saddam's No-Fly Zone Attacks
Saddam Continues to Fire on American & British Pilots in Iraq's No-Fly Zones
O To protect Iraqi Kurds and Shi'a Muslims from Saddam's chemical attacks, executions and forced relocations -- and to conduct aerial surveillance in accordance with U.N. resolutions banning Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction -- American and British forces under U.S. command began Operation Southern Watch in 1992 and Operation Northern Watch in 1997. Forces patrolling the northern and southern no-fly zones include:
E 45 aircraft and 1,400 personnel (Northern Watch)
E 150 aircraft and 6,000 personnel (Southern Watch)
O Almost as soon as the no-fly zones were created, pilots enforcing them came under attack from Iraqi missiles and artillery.
O Since 2000, Iraqi forces have fired on U.S. and British pilots 1,600 times.
O In 2002, Iraqi forces have fired on U.S. and British pilots 406 times.
Despite Saddam's recent pledge to abide by U.N. resolutions -- which he immediately reversed -- Iraq continues to attack no-fly zone pilots.
O American and British pilots have been fired on 67 times since September 18, just hours after Saddam promised to "allow the return of the United Nations inspectors without conditions" and expressed his desire "to remove any doubts that Iraq still possesses weapons of mass destruction."
O Iraq continues to express contempt for U.N. resolutions calling for the dismantling of its weapons of mass destruction, and Saddam demonstrates considerable cleverness at playing the international community and the world's media -- when it's useful to lean forward, they do so. When they can get away with it, they lean back.
O The U.S. is interested in Saddam's compliance with the U.N. resolutions and Iraq's disarmament. The President has challenged the U.N. to enforce its resolutions. It is an important moment for the credibility of the United Nations.
For a transcript of Secretary Rumsfeld's no-fly zone briefing & accompanying images, please go to: www.defendamerica.mil or www.defenselink.mil
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MrMoe
And you people wonder why he has been ordered a detailed inspection of his weapons? And you wonder why there is also a need to remove and WMD that he has? The logic again amazes me.
This isn't about Osama, this isn't about Saddam. This is about terrorists actions against the United States and/or it's military personnel.