How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside 282 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  MeanMrMustard

  70 years in Babylon.

  70 years for Babylon.
  

  God was punishing Judah for their sins same as he punished the northern kingdom. The prophets were sent to Judah with the message and restoration prophecies not to the uncircumcised nation although affected, Jerusalem was the target. I find no other way to interpret the scriptures than Judah spent 70 years in Babylon for idolatry and so the land could rest to pay back its Sabbaths. Archeology will vindicate 607.

  Just read it grammatically. Just because Jerimiah was speaking to the Jews doesn't change the meaning of words.
  

  Babylon was going to reign for a while. Judah was going to "serve" the king of Babylon, along with the other nations round about, for 70 years. It was highly encouraged that Judah accept this servitude. They didn't. So it got worse, in 587, a couple decades into the "servitude", with the final deportation and destruction of Jerusalem. The captives went off into exile to "fulfill" (Chronicles and Daniel) or complete the rest of the time.
  

  Then as v12 says, when the 70 years ended, Babylon was punished/removed from power. But the order in v12 matters.
  
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  waton

  all these endless posts now are about how wt entered into the 1914 morass, the Opening Post was about how how wt will wriggle out of the now expired 1914 end times trap.

  wt entered through a false prophecy: "the world will end we will go to heaven". 1914 happened, wt 's predictions did not materialize.

  The 1914 teaching will not end, it is a permanent stain on the wt prediction record.
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  Jeffro

  waton;

  all these endless posts now are about how wt entered into the 1914 morass, the Opening Post was about how how wt will wriggle out of the now expired 1914 end times trap.

  They can’t. Their stated authority structure is doctrinally tied to 1914 and 607. The closest possibility would involve a schism with a part of the movement that rejects 1914 fracturing off. But unless it happened from within the Watch Tower Society, not much would come if it.
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  MeanMrMustard

  What they need is a young Fred Franz. Someone new, someone smart. Someone capable of spinning new doctrinal webs. Then perhaps there is a way of saying, "607 is wrong, and so is 1914, but in reality, we were right all along"...
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  TonusOH

  waton: the Opening Post was about how how wt will wriggle out of the now expired 1914 end times trap.

  Based on the discussion here, it seems they will hold on to the date and insist it is supported Biblically. I still think the organization will try to minimize it and hope the rank and file forget about it. Then, when they think the time is right, they'll revise it and express their joy at the new understanding that God has graced them with.

  But we are talking decades into the future before they can consider revising it. If the 1914 date and events don't fade away from JW memory, it is a tough road ahead. They hang their authority and legitimacy on that date; if people doubt it, they will seek guidance elsewhere.
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  TD

  What they need is a young Fred Franz. Someone new, someone smart. Someone capable of spinning new doctrinal webs.

  Yes. Franz had a talent for continuity that's missing today.
  
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  Phizzy

  " Franz had a talent for continuity ...." Mad Freddy was Autistic, and that helped him to disregard the problems with his theology etc. But he was crafty, and wriggled his way around the problems, he knew he was bull-shitting on some level, but he was good at it, he would have made a better politician than Trump, not so openly corrupt and dishonest.

  How they now deal with this "dead horse" they are still flogging will be fascinating to see, but their retention rate is already pathetic, their conversion rate of members of the public is equally piss-poor, they need to do SOMETHING, re-branding did nothing much for them.
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  Fisherman

  along with the other nations round about, for 70 years.

  The subject in the Neviim was Zion. In this case Judah. The subject continues during and after the deportation. The conduct, punishment and restoration of Zion is the topic theme of the Prophets. The only conclusion as far as I read is a literal 70 year desolation applied to the Jews who broke the law covenant and were being punished with ironic justice.
  
  
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  TD

  Mad Freddy was Autistic, and that helped him to disregard the problems with his theology.

  He may have been on the spectrum (People with phenomenal memories often are) but then so was a participant here that most of us thought very highly of.
  
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  Fisherman

  Franz had a talent for continuity

  Franz can add nothing more today. The device was built and the button has been pushed. This thing is bigger than Franz and everyone else put together.

  However, His method of understanding the Bible is the mental training received by JW. Although a lot of his conclusions didn’t turn out that way his method is the method . His grasp of the identity of the Gen 3:15 woman is amazing using his method.

  TD never stops to amaze me with his perception.
  

  a participant here that most of us thought very highly of.

  Who was that?

  I have quizzed autistic with savant lesser degree type memory and it is amazing.