If Jesus was indeed the messiah and was known to perform miracles, why would the rabbis see him in a negative light?
What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey 189 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Touchofgrey
Paul wrote decades after some of the events recorded in the gospels took place
Paul wrote his letters at least two decades before the first gospel was written by an unknown author and failed to mention any miracles etc ,only that jesus was executed and about his supposed resurrection, Paul was not a eyewitness to any thing, he never meet the man.
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Jeffro
Then I see you did touch on Nebuchadnezzar as the golden head of the statue. Why don't you continue and explain to us the relevance of the different metal layers of the statue? The same goes for the four beasts of Dan. 7. You'll see in connection with these your Maccabean dating falls seriously short.
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Vidqun
Maccabean victory indeed! Now that's a long shot.
44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever,
45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure." (Dan. 2:44, 45 ESV)Jeffro, you must be joking. Is that really what you believe? You apply above language to a Maccabean victory? Now I've heard it all. The Maccabean Dynasty lost their independance by submitting to General Pompey in 63 BCE. Note what Daniel prophesied in connection with them: "In those times many shall rise against the king of the south, and the violent among your own people shall lift themselves up in order to fulfill the vision, but they shall fail." (Dan. 11:14 ESV)
Their vision did indeed fail. No, the interpretation of the statue and the four beasts correspond. And above arrangement is going to be a permanent arrangement. Nothing to do the Maccabees. But oh, yes, your kind, alongside Porphyry of old, don't believe in the predictive element of prophecy. Perhaps you shouldn't call it prophecy then, because that is what prophecy is all about.
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Jeffro
The Maccabean Dynasty lost their indepenance by submitting to General Pompey in 63 BCE.
Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE. 63 BCE was in the 1st century BCE. The anonymous author of the book of Daniel wasn’t magical, doofus. Hyperbole is a common element in this genre of apocalyptic literature, and it is why these nutters still persist in alternative reinterpretations to this day. Pathetic.
Jeffro, you must be joking. Is that really what you believe? You apply above language to a Maccabean victory? Now I've heard it all.
‘My interpretation’ that the book of Daniel refers to the Maccabean period is widely accepted by scholars. You’re just further demonstrating your ignorance.
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Vidqun
Daniel and friends were exiled approximately 605 BCE, in the first siege of Jerusalem, during the reign of Jehoiakim. He started documenting their adventures in Babylon soon after that. And no, it's not magical, it's called divine prophecy.
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ukpimo
Like many very good and well-natured men, Jesus did not leave this world with archaeological or pictorial evidence. Rather, he left with anecdotal evidence in the minds and hearts of those who actually loved him. Jesus was hated by many religious leaders because he was a man of the people. He actually cared about the welfare of others and called out hypocritical and deceptive men. Of course, such a bold and honest person would attract considerable hatred and opposition. And of course, these men in power would do anything they can to wipe away from history the memory of a man who was significantly better than they were. Many good men have indeed been wiped out of history, but not Jesus. Christianity helped keep the memory of Christ alive and well for centuries. And of course I believe in his miracles. Who wouldn't? Only those who had the mindset of those hypocritical religious leaders who claimed they were better than Jesus and also asserted that he used the power of Beelzebub. Sacrilege! Jesus was the Son of God on earth! The Messiah! No one else has a name so great under heaven. To reject Jesus means to reject the way to eternal life.
And of course, that doesn't mean following a religious organization, or even a religion. Jesus simply started a new way of life to a future life to come, not a religion. The start of Christianity as we know it was Paul's fault, don't get me into that one.
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Jeffro
Daniel and friends were exiled approximately 605 BCE, in the first siege of Jerusalem, during the reign of Jehoiakim.
The anonymous author of Daniel used Babylon as an allegory for the events in the 2nd century BCE to give the appearance of prophecy. And you fell for it! Hilarious.
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Jeffro
Jesus was the Son of God on earth! The Messiah! No one else has a name so great under heaven. To reject Jesus means to reject the way to eternal life.
Yawn.
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Jeffro
And no, it's not magical, it's called divine prophecy.
That’s just rhetorical nonsense. ‘Calling it’ ‘divine prophecy’ doesn’t establish that such a thing actually exists or is possible. Retconning stories after the fact is not evidence of ‘prophecy’.