Had to scroll all the way to page 7 before I came across a trademark Sea Breeze trinity chart. 😞
Of all the charts in this post, the Twinkie chart made the most sense.
The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat 94 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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TonusOH
Twinkies don't taste as good as they used to.
That is the single truest line written in this topic so far.
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peacefulpete
Kaleb said..
According to the Talmud and Josephus, on Nisan 14, the priests would hand over the first of thousands of lambs for the Passover Seder meals beginning at 12 noon and stop (I'm sure you meant start) the slaughtering beginning at 3 pm so roasting could be....
The Wars of the Jews, 6.423
Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston
423So these high priests, upon the coming of that feast which is called the Passover, when they slay their sacrifices, from the ninth hour till the eleventh, but so that a company not less than ten belong to every sacrifice (for it is not lawful for them to feast singly by themselves), and many of us are twenty in a company,This is interesting.
The Synoptics specifically time the death at the 9th hour (3pm) on the day of Passover. Might the writer of Mark taken Josephus literally. As it reads (in English anyway) it could be understood that slaughter started at 3 the day of Passover.????
Another thought is that an original form of Mark did not identify the last meal as the Passover Seder but a later editor more distanced from the Jewish traditions did. Matt and Luke followed. In which case John, in this detail, might preserve an earlier form of the story.
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Halcon
That is the single truest line written in this topic so far.
Hehehe, they don't tho...
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KalebOutWest
Peacefulpete:
This depends upon what day Passover lands.
One does not start to observe Preparation the same time every year due to various circumstances, especially when the Temple stood and the various offerings had to be considered.
I am bad with numbers, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I will double-check with other sources as I can as translating Jewish hours into our common hours always gets me, not to mention the Hebrew calendar/Gregorian translation thing.
According to Mishnah Pesachim 5:1, the usual daily afternoon Tamid (continual offering) was slaughtered at 8.5 hours (approximately 2:30 PM) and offered at 9.5 hours (approximately 3:30 PM). You had to offer this always, somehow, no matter what. Keep this in mind.
However, on Erev Pesach (Passover Eve), when it fell on a weekday, the Tamid was offered an hour earlier (or even more) to allow time for the Passover sacrifices. This meant the slaughtering of the Tamid began at least around 1:30 PM and was offered by approximately 2:30 PM.
Immediately after the Tamid offering, the Passover sacrifices commenced. Thus, the slaughter of the Passover lambs began around 2:30 PM and continued until sunset. If Passover fell on a Friday, the Tamid was brought even earlier to accommodate the start of Shabbat.
Since we count Jewish hours in a day from sunrise, the 6th hour is our noon, the 9th being our 3pm, we can rightly conclude that War of the Jews is not describing a Preparation Day that falls on a Friday.
Why not? It describes sacrifices beginning after the normal second Tamid, approximately 2:30 PM.
Christian tradition is that Jesus died on a Friday and rose the following Sunday. So we have to follow the allowances in the law for an earlier start to the Preparation.