How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

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  • Rivergang
    Rivergang

    When I first became a JW, I recall hearing a lot said about "Constatine the Great" - most of which proved to be quite inaccurate (to put things diplomatically!)

    For example:

    • That he made Christianity the State Religion of the Roman Empire, whereas that happened during the reign of the emperor Theodosius.
    • That he appointed himself the first Pope (back then this was commonly believed by the JWS). In actual fact, Constantine only converted to Christianity while on his death bed.
    • That the Council of Nicaea was convened to help maintain political unity within the Roman Empire. (i.e. by settling religious differences and making the faith of the Christians into the "State Religion")

    What was that about a "Clearer Understanding"?

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The third point is true, and I don’t know that WT ever stated the first two. Individual JWs may have said those first two points, but people can say all sorts of stuff.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    @Rivergang

    You will find this article interesting:

    The role of Constantine in the Nicene Creed

    Also a quote from HERE:

  • Is a political power’s favor, proof of apostasy?
  • Most Greek (*) Protestants, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons etc. believe that the Church apostatized because Constantine the Great ended the persecutions and swayed the Empire’s favor towards Christians. But does the Holy Bible agree with this?

    Let’s take a look at the Persian Emperor Cyrus as an example. The Holy Bible says that God spurred Cyrus’ heart (an idolatrous king!) into rebuilding the destroyed temple of God in Jerusalem, and to even return the sacred vessels that Nebuchadnezzar had stolen from it (Ezra, chapter 1). Was the favor of the idolatrous king towards the Judeans (especially his initiative to rebuild the Temple of God) proof that Israel had apostatized from the truth at the time? The Holy Bible replies with a resounding NO, because God stated the following about the idolatrous king Cyrus: “He is my shepherd, and he will perform all my errands; and I say unto Jerusalem: “You shall be rebuilt” and to the temple: “your foundations shall be planted” (Isaiah 44:28, Translation “PERGAMOS”). So, the Holy Bible clearly indicates that God can use even worldly potentates in order for His will to be done (Proverbs 21:1). The same happened with Constantine the Great: God swayed the favor of the idolatrous Emperor to the benefit of the Christians, using him as His instrument in order to terminate the state’s persecutions of the Church and allow the unhindered spreading of the Gospel throughout the Empire.

    Consequently, the assertion of many contemporary movements that the Church apostatized opposes the Holy Bible as well as common logic, because if their assertion is accepted, then the Canon of the New Testament that they hold in their hands loses its validity! In closing, we submit something that the familiar Protestant Hank Hanegraaf said to the Mormons (although the same applies to every religious group that stresses the same argument: “In reply to this teaching (of the church’s apostasy), we should ask the Mormons exactly how would the Church be able to praise God ‘in every generation, for ever and ever’, if – as the Apostle Paul clearly wrote in Ephesi

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Is a political powers favor, proof of apostasy?

    Most Greek (*) Protestants, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons etc. believe that the Church apostatized because Constantine the Great ended the persecutions and swayed the Empire’s favor towards Christians. But does the Holy Bible agree with this?

    Let’s take a look at the Persian Emperor Cyrus as an example. The Holy Bible says that God spurred Cyrus’ heart (an idolatrous king!) into rebuilding the destroyed temple of God in Jerusalem, and to even return the sacred vessels that Nebuchadnezzar had stolen from it (Ezra, chapter 1). Was the favor of the idolatrous king towards the Judeans (especially his initiative to rebuild the Temple of God) proof that Israel had apostatized from the truth at the time? The Holy Bible replies with a resounding NO, because God stated the following about the idolatrous king Cyrus: “He is my shepherd, and he will perform all my errands; and I say unto Jerusalem: “You shall be rebuilt” and to the temple: “your foundations shall be planted” (Isaiah 44:28, Translation “PERGAMOS”). So, the Holy Bible clearly indicates that God can use even worldly potentates in order for His will to be done (Proverbs 21:1). The same happened with Constantine the Great: God swayed the favor of the idolatrous Emperor to the benefit of the Christians, using him as His instrument in order to terminate the state’s persecutions of the Church and allow the unhindered spreading of the Gospel throughout the Empire.

    Consequently, the assertion of many contemporary movements that the Church apostatized opposes the Holy Bible as well as common logic, because if their assertion is accepted, then the Canon of the New Testament that they hold in their hands loses its validity! In closing, we submit something that the familiar Protestant Hank Hanegraaf said to the Mormons (although the same applies to every religious group that stresses the same argument: “In reply to this teaching (of the church’s apostasy), we should ask the Mormons exactly how would the Church be able to praise God ‘in every generation, for ever and ever’, if – as the Apostle Paul clearly wrote in Ephesians 3:21- it had declined into complete apostasy?” (www.equip.org/free/CP0306.htm).


    (*). The original article was written in Greek.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Is a political powers favor, proof of apostasy?

    Most Greek (*) Protestants, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons etc. believe that the Church apostatized because Constantine the Great ended the persecutions and swayed the Empire’s favor towards Christians. But does the Holy Bible agree with this?

    Let’s take a look at the Persian Emperor Cyrus as an example. The Holy Bible says that God spurred Cyrus’ heart (an idolatrous king!) into rebuilding the destroyed temple of God in Jerusalem, and to even return the sacred vessels that Nebuchadnezzar had stolen from it (Ezra, chapter 1). Was the favor of the idolatrous king towards the Judeans (especially his initiative to rebuild the Temple of God) proof that Israel had apostatized from the truth at the time? The Holy Bible replies with a resounding NO, because God stated the following about the idolatrous king Cyrus: “He is my shepherd, and he will perform all my errands; and I say unto Jerusalem: “You shall be rebuilt” and to the temple: “your foundations shall be planted” (Isaiah 44:28, Translation “PERGAMOS”). So, the Holy Bible clearly indicates that God can use even worldly potentates in order for His will to be done (Proverbs 21:1). The same happened with Constantine the Great: God swayed the favor of the idolatrous Emperor to the benefit of the Christians, using him as His instrument in order to terminate the state’s persecutions of the Church and allow the unhindered spreading of the Gospel throughout the Empire.

    Consequently, the assertion of many contemporary movements that the Church apostatized opposes the Holy Bible as well as common logic, because if their assertion is accepted, then the Canon of the New Testament that they hold in their hands loses its validity! In closing, we submit something that the familiar Protestant Hank Hanegraaf said to the Mormons (although the same applies to every religious group that stresses the same argument: “In reply to this teaching (of the church’s apostasy), we should ask the Mormons exactly how would the Church be able to praise God ‘in every generation, for ever and ever’, if – as the Apostle Paul clearly wrote in Ephesians 3:21- it had declined into complete apostasy?” (www.equip.org/free/CP0306.htm).


    (*). The original article was written in Greek.

  • scholar
    scholar

    aqwsed12345

    I have read your last, repetitive response to my post and my response is a summary only, Enjoy!

    The simple fact is that the APN theos is indefinite and qualitative and is best rendered as ' a god' or 'divine' and 'what God was the Word was also' or similar wording. Many Greek scholars and even JW critics agree that according to Greek grammar, 'a god' is a legitimate rendering of the APN in John 1: 1c.

    I have read Wallace's comments on the NWT's view that the theos is indefinite and I'm afraid I have to disagree with his reasons which are in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, 1996, pp.266-267. Catholic scholars such as Maximillan Zerwick SJ render theos in this instance as 'divine' and similarly Francis J Moloney S.D.B as mentioned previously in the Sacra Pagina commentary series renders it as 'what God was the Word also was'.

    In short, in John 1:1 c, theos is an anarthrous predicate nominative—indefinite because it omits the article and qualitative because it is a predicate noun and is before the verb. The reason why the NWT has rendered this theos was originally explained in the Appendix article in the NWT, 1950, pp.3587-3589, wherein quotes from eight other Bible translations, a classical source, and three Greek grammar textbooks are used. Further, in 1984 The NWT with References which is a scholarly edition and in its Appendix 6A, more updated scholarship is used namely based on the article ' Qualitative Anarthrous Predicate Nouns:Mark 15:39 and John 1:1' by Philip B .Harner .

    I reject your assertion that 'a god' is somehow polytheistic for the mention of One God - the Father and a 'lesser god' - the Word because only two gods are mentioned. The word ' polytheism' means many gods which is hardly applicable with only two beings but more applicable with a triad of gods in a Trinity that would be polytheism.

    The NWT's 'a god' attests to the fact the Word as the Son was subordinate and in relation to God the Father as shown in John 1:1b- "the Word was with God" and vs. 14 -' only begotten son from a father' and in vs.18 -"the only begotten god who is at the Father's side". This relationship between the Word and God has been further emphasized by "This one was in the beginning with God-vs. 2. The Apostle John nowhere in this Prologue uses such theological/philosophical terms as 'substance', 'essence' or other such Nicean terminology.

    I have no objection that the qualitative force of the APN theos refers to the Wor's deity or divinity for such is compatible with the rendering 'a god.' Murray Harris whom I met personally at Macquarie University as a Visiting Scholar not long after he published his Jesus as God, 1992 in which he admits that based on grammar alone the theos in John 1:1 could be rendered as 'a god' (Refer page 60, a.(1).

    The NWT's rendering of 'a god' in John 1:1 has proved to be most accurate in terms of Greek grammar and is theologically correct as shown in the way that the Apostle John discusses the 'Word' throughout his Gospel, Epistles and Revelation. See The Word Who is he? According to John, 1962, published by the Watchtower Society and as a booklet distributed to clergy throughout the world in a special campaign by the Witnesses. Also, the NWT's traditional rendering has no doubt spawned considerable theses, journal articles, books and other theological research into the subject of the translation of John 1:1.

    You admit to a functional subordination of the Son to the Father but do not admit to an ontological distinction between the Son and the Father as clearly shown in John 1:1,2 and the rest of the NT the reason being of a muddied or soiled Christology intermixed with polytheism, neo-platonic concepts and paganism along with the omission of God's personal identity with His name Jehovah.

    The Trinity is a triad and triads are a common feature of both pagan ancient religions and the modern which fact underscores the pagan roots of the Trinity. The essentials may differ but the core elements remain intact and as a scholar of Religion both at an Undergraduate and Postgraduate level I know what I am talking about and I do not need to rely on Hislop's earlier research which has been more thoroughly scoped.

    The Council of Nicea was disgraceful presided by a non-Christian Emperor who only sought political expedience, only one-third (318?) of the Bishops attended, and it was held in Greek not Latin with only two representatives of the Latin/Western Church. The proceeding did not show the Holy Spirit but rather 'the works of the flesh' as shown by the manner in which Arius, a Bishop was treated. and it is has left a divisive and corrupting legacy on Christendom ever since right up to the present day.

    The doctrine of the Trinity has a false Christology which misrepresents God, the Word who later became the man, Jesus Christ. Its roots are of pagan origin as a triad hence polytheistic. It is not taught in both the OT and the NT and contains concepts adopted from Neo-Platonism and other Hellenistic ideas current in the ancient world of the first three centuries including that of Mysticism

    scholar JW

    BA - Religious Studies and Philosophy Deakin

    BA Hons- Philosophy inc.Deakin

    MA - Studies in Religion Sydney

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Your argument hinges on the interpretation of "theos" as an indefinite noun in John 1:1c, which is why you claim that "a god" is a valid translation. However, you misunderstand the nature of Koine Greek and how the anarthrous predicate nominative functions. The fact that "theos" lacks the article in John 1:1c does not automatically make it indefinite. The construction of "theos" in this context is widely accepted by Greek scholars, such as Daniel Wallace and Philip Harner, as qualitative, not indefinite.

    Your claim that "a god" is the best translation because theos lacks a definite article is a misunderstanding of Greek grammar. Philip Harner’s article supports the qualitative understanding of theos in John 1:1c, not an indefinite one. The construction emphasizes the nature or essence of the Word—its divinity—rather than suggesting a separate, subordinate god.

    The qualitative force of "theos" here emphasizes the nature of the Word (Logos). It expresses that the Word shares in the divine essence, not that the Word is merely a lesser or subordinate god. This is an essential point that has been emphasized by numerous scholars, including Wallace, Metzger, and Harris. The Word is fully divine, sharing the same essence as the Father, but is distinguished in person. Hence, translating "theos" as "a god" not only ignores the qualitative aspect of the word but introduces theological confusion by suggesting polytheism or henotheism, neither of which align with biblical monotheism.

    You mention Wallace's critique of the NWT's rendering of "theos" as "a god" and state that you disagree with his analysis. Wallace, however, is one of the leading authorities in Koine Greek grammar, and his explanation of the qualitative nature of "theos" in John 1:1c is based on extensive linguistic research. The qualitative reading of "theos" affirms the Word's full participation in divinity without suggesting the existence of multiple gods.

    Greek grammarians, including Wallace, Philip Harner, and A.T. Robertson, emphasize that "theos" in John 1:1c does not function as an indefinite noun but rather highlights the divine essence of the Word. To suggest that "a god" is a legitimate rendering contradicts the overwhelming consensus among Greek scholars who affirm the qualitative nature of "theos" in this passage.

    You cite scholars who interpret theos in John 1:1c as “divine” or “what God was, the Word was.” However, the qualitative reading emphasizes that the Word possesses the full nature of divinity, not a secondary or lesser deity. Even scholars like Murray Harris acknowledge that “a god” would be grammatically possible but theologically inappropriate because it suggests polytheism, which contradicts biblical monotheism.

    You argue that translating "theos" as "a god" does not introduce polytheism because only two gods are mentioned (the Father and the Word). However, this logic is flawed. Polytheism is not limited to the worship of many gods but can also involve the belief in multiple distinct gods, even if only two are referenced. By translating "theos" as "a god," you are introducing a second divine being, which violates the core monotheistic principle found in both the Old and New Testaments. Deuteronomy 6:4 ("Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one") and Isaiah 45:5 ("I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides me there is no God") affirm the singularity of God. To translate "theos" as "a god" in John 1:1c introduces a dualistic notion of divinity, which is incompatible with biblical monotheism. The qualitative reading of theos in John 1:1c does not introduce multiple, separate gods but emphasizes that the Word shares fully in the divine essence of the one God, distinct in person but not in essence.

    The Trinity doctrine preserves monotheism by teaching that there is one God in three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—who share the same divine essence. The Father is not greater than the Son in essence; they are co-equal and co-eternal. John 1:1 emphasizes this unity while maintaining the distinction of persons.

    You mention that the Son is functionally subordinate to the Father and claim that this indicates an ontological difference between the two. However, the distinction between functional subordination and ontological equality is essential in Trinitarian theology. The Son submits to the Father in His role within the economy of salvation, particularly during His incarnation (Philippians 2:6-11), but this does not imply that the Son is ontologically inferior. The Church Fathers and later theologians, including Athanasius and the Cappadocian Fathers, defended the Son's co-equality with the Father, even while acknowledging the Son's submission to the Father's will during His earthly ministry.

    You maintain that the Word is subordinate to God and that the NWT's translation reflects this. However, functional subordination (the Son’s voluntary submission to the Father) does not imply ontological inequality. The doctrine of the Trinity, developed in response to heresies like Arianism, affirms that the Son is coequal with the Father in essence, though distinct in person and role.

    The claim that the Trinity is a product of pagan triads lacks substantial historical evidence. The Trinity is a unique Christian doctrine, grounded in the biblical revelation of one God in three persons, and it arose from a reflection on Scripture, not pagan philosophy. Scholars have thoroughly debunked the idea that the Trinity was borrowed from pagan sources like Hislop's The Two Babylons—a work that has been discredited by historians for its inaccurate and unsubstantiated parallels between Christianity and paganism.

    The argument claims that because Christians accept the functional subordination of the Son to the Father, there must be an ontological distinction—i.e., that the Son is lesser in being or nature than the Father. This argument misunderstands both the nature of functional subordination and the biblical teaching on the equality of the Father and the Son.

    Functional subordination refers to the roles the persons of the Trinity take in the economy of salvation—meaning, how God interacts with humanity. The Son willingly submits to the Father in His incarnation (becoming human) and mission (to redeem humanity), as clearly taught in Philippians 2:6-8:

    “…though He was in the form of God, He did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, by taking the form of a servant…”

    This passage shows that Jesus is equal to God (“in the form of God”) but chose to submit by taking on human nature. His submission to the Father’s will (functional subordination) was voluntary and part of the redemptive mission, not a reflection of any ontological inferiority.

    Furthermore, in John 10:30, Jesus says:

    “I and the Father are one.”

    Here, Jesus explicitly claims unity of essence with the Father, which refutes the idea that the Father and the Son are ontologically distinct. The Father and the Son are one in nature, while remaining distinct in person.

    The argument points to John 1:1-2 as evidence of ontological distinction. However, a close reading of these verses actually supports the Trinitarian view of equality in nature between the Father and the Son:

    • “In the beginning was the Word”: This phrase emphasizes the pre-existence of the Word (the Son). The Son was not created; He existed from all eternity.
    • “The Word was with God”: This indicates that the Word (the Son) was distinct in person from the Father (He was with God).
    • “The Word was God”: Here, John emphasizes the divine nature of the Son. The Son is God in essence, not a created being or a separate, lesser deity.

    The Greek construction of the phrase “the Word was God” (καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος) makes it clear that the Word shares in the divine nature. If John intended to distinguish the Son as ontologically different from the Father, he would have used a different construction. Instead, the grammar strongly supports the unity of essence between the Father and the Son.

    Thus, John 1:1-2 does not teach ontological inequality. It affirms that the Son is distinct in person but equal in essence to the Father.

    The claim that Trinitarian theology is “muddied” by paganism or neo-Platonism is a common argument made by groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses, but this claim is based on a misunderstanding of both Christian doctrine and historical theology.

    The early Christians, including Church Fathers like Athanasius and Basil of Caesarea, firmly rejected the influence of pagan philosophies and polytheism. The Council of Nicaea (AD 325) condemned any view that diminished Christ’s full deity (such as Arianism), while affirming the biblical understanding of one God in three persons. The Trinity is rooted in Scripture, not in pagan philosophy.

    Let’s consider the biblical foundation of the Trinity:

    • Matthew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
      • This verse speaks of one name (not multiple names) that encompasses the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, showing the unity of the three persons.
    • 2 Corinthians 13:14: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”
      • This verse references all three persons of the Godhead and shows their distinct roles but also their unity.

    The accusation of neo-Platonism is unfounded. Christian theologians drew from biblical revelation, not from pagan sources, to explain how God is one in essence and three in persons. The Trinity is a mystery of divine revelation, not a concept imported from Greek philosophy.

    You criticize the Council of Nicaea as being politically motivated and question its theological outcomes. However, the council’s primary goal was to address Arianism and defend the full divinity of Christ, a belief already present in early Christian writings. The doctrine of the Trinity, as affirmed at Nicaea, was based on biblical revelation and a reflection of the Church’s understanding of God’s nature, not political expedience.

    Furthermore, the Council of Nicaea did not “invent” the Trinity but rather clarified the relationship between the Father and the Son in response to the Arian heresy, which denied the full divinity of Christ. The Nicene Creed affirmed that the Son is "of the same essence" (homoousios) as the Father, a belief that was already widely held by Christians, including Church Fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. The fact that the Council was presided over by Emperor Constantine does not diminish the theological significance of the decisions made, which were based on scriptural exegesis, not political expediency.

    So your assertion that the Trinity is rooted in pagan triads misrepresents both the Christian concept of the Trinity and pagan triads. Pagan triads consisted of three separate gods, whereas the Christian Trinity teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God in three persons, coequal and coeternal. This is a fundamental difference that invalidates any comparison to pagan triads.

    You also argue that the omission of God's personal name, Jehovah, in the Trinity doctrine represents a “muddied” Christology. However, the New Testament writers consistently refer to God using a variety of titles, including "Father" and "Lord," and focus on the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The use of the name Jehovah is not central to the debate over the nature of the Trinity, which focuses on the revealed relationship within the Godhead. Jehovah's Witnesses often claim that using the name "Jehovah" is essential for properly identifying God. However, the New Testament consistently refers to God as Father and emphasizes the revelation of God through Jesus Christ.

    It’s important to recognize that the name “Jehovah” is a late Latinized form of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), and the pronunciation of this name has been debated for centuries. Scholars generally agree that the original pronunciation was likely closer to “Yahweh.”

    In the New Testament, the focus shifts to God’s Fatherhood and the person of Christ as the fullest revelation of God’s nature:

    • John 14:9: Jesus says, “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”
      • Jesus reveals the Father fully through His words and actions.
    • Philippians 2:9-11: “Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow…”
      • Here, Paul emphasizes the name of Jesus as the focus of worship and adoration. This doesn’t diminish God the Father but shows that Jesus shares in the divine identity.

    The use of the name “Jehovah” is not required in the New Testament, as the emphasis is on the relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ, who fully reveals the Father’s character, will, and purpose. Nowhere does Jesus or the apostles command believers to use the name Jehovah specifically in prayer or worship. Instead, they emphasize the relationship with God as Father and the authority of Jesus’ name.

    In conclusion, your argument that the Trinity is derived from pagan sources and that "a god" is a legitimate rendering of John 1:1c misunderstands both Greek grammar and Christian theology. The qualitative nature of "theos" in John 1:1c emphasizes the Word's full divinity, not a lesser status. The Trinity doctrine is grounded in Scripture, not in pagan triads, and preserves the biblical teaching of one God in three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    The qualitative reading of theos in John 1:1c emphasizes that the Word is fully divine, sharing the same nature as the Father, without introducing polytheism or subordinationism. The NWT’s translation of “a god” introduces theological confusion by implying a lesser deity, which contradicts both Greek grammar and the consistent biblical affirmation of monotheism.

    FYI:

    What Really Happened at Nicea?

    A Response to the Pamphlet 'Should You Believe in the Trinity' by Barry Hofstetter

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Do I imagine it or did I detect a shadow of a doubt?

    aqwsed1234 : The fact that "theos" lacks the article in John 1:1c does not automatically make it indefinite.
    aqwsed1234 : In this context, the absence of the article does not necessarily mean that "theos" should be indefinite.
    aqwsed1234 : Even scholars like Murray Harris acknowledge that “a god” would be grammatically possible but theologically inappropriate ...
    aqwsed1234 : Even Jason BeDuhn, while sympathetic to the NWT in some respects, acknowledges that the Word was divine (not “a god”) better captures the original Greek intent...

    but

    Jason BeDuhn : "The meaning is the same in either case ..." (Truth in Translation, 2003, p.124)

    Philip B. Harner : At a number of points in this study we have seen that anarthrous predicate nouns preceding the verb may be primarily qualitative in force yet may also have some connotation of definiteness. The categories of qualitativeness and definiteness, that is, are not mutually exclusive, and frequently it is a delicate exegetical issue for the interpreter to decide which emphasis a Greek writer had in mind...In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate is so prominent that the noun cannot be regarded as definite. ("Qualitative Anarthrous Predicate Nouns: Mark 15:39 and John 1:1", Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 92, No.1, p.87)

    So, in fact, you agree that John 1:1c can be translated as "the Word was a god" but it doesn't fit your theology.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    It reminds me of William Barclay, if I remember right, who argued that theos is qualitative in John 1.1c but was absolutely furious that JWs quoted him on it. He didn’t mind being a heretic himself (he was branded a heretic for believing universalism) but being quoted by heretics to support their heresy was beyond the pale. 😆

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I like this bit from the Article in Rivergang's Link :

    " If however, the Ancient Church did not remain within the truth – as various protestant groups and heresies maintain – then they have a serious problem. They place themselves in the predicament of acknowledging the authority of an apostate Church that ruled on the Canon of the New Testament! How can they trust the Canon of the 27 books of the New Testament, if it was composed by alleged apostates of the truth? How can they be certain that those involved had made the correct choice as to which books are divinely inspired or not, if they had apostatized from the divine truth? If the Church had apostatized, how can they be sure that those people hadn’t chosen the books that were considered expedient and rejected those that weren’t to their advantage? If, on the other hand, they trust the Canon of the New Testament, then they –unwittingly- also trust the Church that created that Canon! "

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