Crime Rates: U.S. v. England (page 8)

ballistic

I'm gunna have words with you guys when I come over there!

Brummie

30,406

Just so ya know, 30, 000 of these crimes are committed in Manchester alone. Everywhere else is nice, esspecially Birmingham.

Brummie

teejay

Hey, Mike!

Cool avatar, Buddy. I'm diggin' it!

Jayson

Simon if you were anybody else who has had the attitude that you have shown towards others latley you would ban yourself.

I was merely pointing out the FACTS that there are more homicides per capita in the USA than in the UK, contrary to the topic that was started.

This thread is about "crime" rates between the Nations that S P put up. She did not narrow the field to just "homicide" rates. You tried to do that. Why do you think by putting up your opinion that only homicide is worth debating you are right? Is murder the only thing that the police act on in the UK ? Traffic fines and murder rates? I put up the mugging rates of NY & London. Granted they were not Justice Department or Interpol or the UN. Maybe that is why you again ignore the facts or points presented and put up a, be it close, but off topic comment and claim you are right and opposition is wrong.

I can't believe that the same old people with the same old chips on their shoulders are taking comments like this as America bashing YET AGAIN. This is sad and pathetic. It's almost like you have an agenda.

Why is having a different opinion than you having a "chip." That having the opinion you are bias on the issue of America equals a "chip" should make anyone reading this thread wonder if you are capable of self examination.

Why would "owning a shotgun" equate to carrying it round loaded in your car? tut ut - another straw man argument ... is this really the best you can come up with

Lets see on the topic of guns you said Americans who own guns do so to "blow each others brains out." And Englishman says that Americans are "cowboys" and that is what all his rude and insultive comments were meant to be. So I comment that a shotgun (something he owned according to him) can not be carried on your person for protection legally. Nor can you carry a shotgun in your car loaded including in the magazine. This goes for all long barrel weapons. I believe in all US States this is law. Only civilians with special licenses can legally carry a gun (pistol) concealed in public. I have no issue with locking people up for intentionally illegally having a gun on their person even if they have not used it. But, I defend the rights of law abiding citizens to possess a weapon for defense with in the boundries of their State and Country. I gave you a link to all the laws and lawful posession of a weapon in the different States. As I have told you in a previous thread the USA is not one Country with only Federal laws. This is one of your less understanding zones that you run me down on. Each State has it's own Constitution along with the Federal Constitution. In some States like California and New York legal possesion of a gun in public is almost impossible for the average person. In other States like Vermont legal gun possesion for law abiding citizens is very simple. You just lump all of America together. Who creates a "straw man argument?"

Simon when you look in the mirror do you even have a reflection?

Bendrr

OMG! Bendrr, I just noticed your avatar!!

Yeah, I do have a knack for putting up some eye-catching ones don't I?

I've got Yahoo MSGR, the ID is "skydmyke". (I don't mind giving it out here, if someone pisses me off I just put them on "ignore" or maybe report them to YaHell)

Mike.

Simon

Simon if you were anybody else who has had the attitude that you have shown towards others latley you would ban yourself.

Rubbish, I allow you to post your diatribes don't I?

This thread is about "crime" rates between the Nations that S P put up. She did not narrow the field to just "homicide" rates.

Eactly, it was very unspecific.

You tried to do that. Why do you think by putting up your opinion that only homicide is worth debating you are right? Is murder the only thing that the police act on in the UK ? Traffic fines and murder rates?

I think I showed that figures taken in isolation do not give the whole picture which is surely what matters? The post was not "which country has the most non-homicide, non-parking-fine-related crime" was it?

Why is having a different opinion than you having a "chip." That having the opinion you are bias on the issue of America equals a "chip" should make anyone reading this thread wonder if you are capable of self examination.

I welcome differing opinions. However, some people seem to have a different opinion for the sake of it and against all logic and reason and go out of their way to take and claim offence. I call this having a chip. What would you call it?

Lets see on the topic of guns you said Americans who own guns do so to "blow each others brains out."

No, I didn't say that and you know it.

Blah nonsense about carrying a shotgun and state vs federal regulations

I lump all of America together because the topic is "Crime Rates: U.S. v. England" Do you seriously want us to debate it state by state? I'm sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to do this. The facts speak for themselves and all your waffle is to disguise the fact that England has a lower rate of very violent crimes (eg. homicides). Now, if I had attached some value judgements to the facts and said that it showed American society was "lacking" in some ways or was spiralling out of control or that Americans were violent then I would understand your defensiveness but all I have posted is hard figures that as far as I can tell, you are not disputing. Therefore, I suggest you stick to the topic and stop your ongoing attempts to twist everything I post into an attack on your country when it is a million miles from what I've posted.

frogit

Crime rate is measured (England Wales) by reported crime, ie what you tell the Police. For example the Police often just log any crime reported by the public, (however minnor). This is often done for insurance purposes, you get a crime number on a little card, the Police don't investigate at all. The lasrt time I reported a crime, the Policemen said that they would only make a note in his notebook, this I think was to get (official) the crime rate lower.

I think crime in this country (England) is far to high, one reason maybe too few police officers on the beat (often tied up with paper work) But Still feel safe living here.

What is the ratio of Police to Poulation in the US vs England?

frogit

Bendrr

So I comment that a shotgun (something he owned according to him) can not be carried on your person for protection legally. Nor can you carry a shotgun in your car loaded including in the magazine. This goes for all long barrel weapons.

Not 100% true, Jayson. In Georgia, you can carry handguns or "long guns" loaded and even concealed in your car provided you have a valid Georgia Firearms License. If you don't have the license (but are eligible for one) you can still carry guns in your car provided they are visible and unloaded.

Mike.

expatbrit

Bwaaah! Love the Avatar, Bendrr! LOLOL

Expatbrit

Jayson

Not 100% true, Jayson. In Georgia, you can carry handguns or "long guns" loaded and even concealed in your car provided you have a valid Georgia Firearms License. If you don't have the license (but are eligible for one) you can still carry guns in your car provided they are visible and unloaded.

Thank you Mike for the correction. I gave a link in another post to the different laws per State any other corrections are welcome.

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