Why Was Adam Blocked From Tree of Life?

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  DannyBear

  Rev,

  Still loling about the titty twister. Somehow two people completely naked in a garden with all sorts of mystical tree's around, chasing each other and administering 'titty twisters' to each other is a vivid picture in my minds eye.

  How you guys can even talk seriously about this total fabrication is beyond me. Do you actually believe that Moses reader's of his day, even understood the concept of 'symbolisim'?

  Were talking about his Genesis book, being read by the same people who actually witnessed their god YHWH part the Red Sea, some even eye witnesses to the 10 plauges of Egypt. They witnessed the sun stand still. They saw Moses call water from the rocks. They saw and possibly touched the very handwriting of god himself. They witnessed entire nations struck down by their god Jah.

  Symbolisim was the least of their concerns.......they didn't even know what symbols or antitypes meant.

  So here we come along thousands of years later......and to make the whole fantasy of the Garden of Eden palatable, we must ascribe all sorts of deep and meaningful symbols to the whole 'cartoon'. Wake up friends and smell some reality............didn't you get enough of all that 'fulfillment' crap while worshiping the god YHWH, who has not performed even the simplist act or ratification of all the rest of the 65 books that followd Moses little story book.

  I mean what does it take to wake up to all the wool that been pulled clear down to your ankles, for the last several milleniums?

  Sorry just had to get that off my chest.

  Now please resume the 'titty twisting' exercises.

  Danny
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  peacefulpete

  The excuse that God's statements are unchangable is contrary to the rest of the OT. It is replete with examples of his regretting and repenting and changing his mind, declaring judement then being talked out of following thru. This is merely a modern attempt to explain the tale while preserving the 20th century cncept of god. The story is mirrored in a number of ancient cults, the Egyptian,Phenician,Babylonian,Etruscan,Indian,and others. In the legends of these people the issue is always the separation between gods and men. The human/s seek a fruit or tree the will make them gods and are thwarted by dragons/lions/monsters/spinning swords(Babylonian)etc. The Genesis tale is the same. the issue was not obediance or sin, the issue was immortality/and godship. The sin element was later overlaid upon the story by late Judaism and christianity. This explains the Cherubim/half human half bull monsters and the spinning sword to keep humans from the "tree of life" preventing them from "becoming like one of us". That is, becoming gods.
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  AGuest

  Thank you... and peace to all of you who receive it.

  Adam first. I did not say Adam was into beastiality. I intimated it... out of my own imperfection... which indeed exists (which is why I need a saviour!)... and which is the reason I try to the best of my ability to refrain from saying what I think and what I feel and what I believe. Stick with the Spirit... and you can't go wrong. Run out there on your own, and...

  But some good has come out of it... for again my Lord came to me and spoke. He asked me, plainly "How could such a thing have occurred, child? Is it not true that such a thing would have been a SIN? And is it not true that until he ATE... Adam had NOT sinned? Take care with your heart... and your tongue. Do not let the hard hearts of men... and the grief they may cause, cause YOU... to become unreasonable in YOUR thinking." And, of course, my Lord was correct. But I do not take offense at his correction, for it is ALWAYS done kindly... and with love. Always. And NO discipline is joyous, but grievous. Praise JAH we have a "Shepherd" who leads us into ALL truth, including the truth about Adam... with a "kind" yoke!

  Now, on to the Tree of Life - The Tree of Life... is my Lord. He is the TRUE "vine"... the "Root" of Jesse... "Sprout"... the "leaves" of which... his FLESH... is for the "curing" of the nations. It works this way:

  As long as one "eats" from my Lord, whose flesh is the "manna from heaven," TRUE food... one shall live. Even if they die in the flesh, they will be resurrected. And some... will never die (those who are alive at my Lord's return, who will be CHANGED - metamorphed - "in the twinkling of an eye.")

  Adam... ate from this Tree... as did Satan. As did ALL of God's "men", both physical and spiritual. Why? Because it... HE... is the SOURCE... of life. UNLESS you eat from him... you HAVE... NO life... in yourselves. For he IS "the Life."

  Psalms 78:25; John 6:48-56; John 14:6

  Once Adam ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad... he came to KNOW "bad"... Death. Before that, he did not KNOW "bad"... Death; however, he DID know "good"... Life. Once he ate... he was no longer "clean"... so that his NAKEDNESS... was "exposed": now HE could see what was IN him... which was not "good". It had to be "covered".

  Genesis 3:7; 22

  But, it was not the nakedness of his flesh... but that of his SPIRIT which was exposed; however, he tried to HIDE it... by covering... his flesh! Didn't work. God still saw his "nakedness." Adam, though, being the "bright" guy that he was... thought it would. So, he tried to "cleanse" the OUTSIDE of his "cup"... evidently not understanding that it was the INSIDE... that was exposed.

  1 Samuel 16:7

  (But why cover his loins and not his chest? Well, there is something a dear friend, a brother in Christ, told me that my Lord said to HIM once: when it's all said an done, no matter what the mouth says, no matter what the eyes may say... not matter what one may say is in his/her heart... "the penis... does not lie." I think every man would agree with the TRUTH of that statement... and, apparently, Adam felt the same way.)

  Genesis 3:10; Hebrews 3:13; Revelation 3:17, 18

  So God gave him a "long garment of skin." And it was NOT an animal skin... but the "skin" we now exist in... flesh... with its blood. Prior, Adam had flesh... with GOD's blood... holy spirit.

  Genesis 3:21; 2:7; John 20:22

  Okay, so now you've God Adam... knowing "bad"... Death... by means of knowing sickness and aging. He was DYING. Yet, the "leaves" of the Tree [of Life]... are for CURING... EVERY ailment... and every SIN... excluding blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So, because if he (Adam) had gotten back to the Tree [of Life]... and ATE... he would again be withOUT sin... CLEANSED... and so... live... unless and until he ate... again. But what are the chances that he would do that? Little to none - who WANTS to die? True, Adam may have THOUGHT he wanted to "know" bad... but now that he DID, you can bet that he... like you and I... wished it would reverse.

  But so what... what would be the big deal if Adam DID eat... and live forever? This: GOD said... that if he ate of it... he WOULD die. Satan... said he WOULDN'T. And yet, he DID start to die... and indeed died. But... had he made his way back and ate... he would NOT have. What would have been the result? That which is brought out in the Revelation, at Chapter 20, verses 7-10:

  It is in that account that we see what would happen: evil men (Gog) and evil spirits (Magog)... would EAT... and live... with and in their wickedness... to the detriment of the RIGHTEOUS... forever. If evil COULD "reign" forever, there are those who are evil... who WOULD. Where, then, would JUSTICE be? Who would survive? The "good" folks? But if they are GOOD... then they would not succumb to that which makes evil ones evil... just to stay alive. Satan, however... said they WOULD. That is the point of both Job's "test"... and my Lord's.

  When Satan in loosed, the account at Revelation says he goes out to mislead the ENTIRE earth... Gog... and Magog. Mislead them to do WHAT? Come against the Holy City? Why? Because in the MIDST of that City... lies the Tree... of Life. And if such ones can GET to that Tree... and EAT... they will live... FOREVER. My Father... cannot let that happen. Not for HIS sake... but for ours. So, HE destroys them... with fire... from HIS nostrils.

  Revelation 20:7-9; 22:1, 2;

  Why breath from His NOSTRILS? Because... He is NOT in our "likeness"... that which we received from Adam. Rather, He, like ALL spirit beings... is a SERAPH... a "fiery serpent"... which are, in truth... dragons: winged beings, who wings are NOT as that of birds... but as of "flying, flesh-eating" creatures. The Hebrew words "flying flesh-eating," has been MISTRANSLITERATED to mean "birds of prey"... or "eagles"... and thus, they have been erroneously given wings of feathered creatures.

  In FACT, however, theirs are the wings... of dragons... serpents with wings and legs... my Father of whom breathes fire (for only dragons breathe fire)... and some of them, including my Lord... being "fiery"... or COPPER-colored... in body and eyes.

  2 Samuel 22:16; Job 41:1-3, 20; Psalm 18:6, 8, 15; Ezekiel 1:6, 7, 13; Daniel 10:6; Revelation 1:14, 15

  There is no such word as "orange" in Hebrew; the word is "fiery"... or "copper-colored". That is why gargoyles (although these are not quite what they look like, but CLOSE) adorn many ancient churches and fortresses... placed there, NOT as condoning of demons... but as symbolic beings of PROTECTION: angels.

  Angels... are simply seraphs... or "fiery serpents"... that are messengers. Cherubs... are SERAPHS... of high rank. Satan... a SERAPH... was a CHERUB... the "anointed" cherub... who was "set" in the Garden of Eden. When he turned his face FROM my Lord... no longer eating from HIM... he no longer stood "fast"... in his proper place... or in my Lord. He... like Adam... was a branch... that was lopped off!

  He is called the "arkaic" (or archeaic) dragon, because he was ONE of the cherubs whose "place" it was to guard the Ark... or arche... of the Covenant... in HEAVEN. Michael... is the OTHER angel of the "ark"... the other "arkangel"... or "archeangel". There were only two.

  My Lord... is the Copper Serpent... the "fiery colored" seraph... who was LIFTED UP BY GOD... so that all who gaze on HIM... will live... just as Moses lifted up the copper serpent in the wilderness. For all who then had been bit... by POISONOUS vipers... poisonous (death-dealing) serpents... for shadowed those who would be "bit"... by Satan... and his "offspring"... vipers... or poisonous "serpents".

  Now, I know... of course... that some are going to completely stumble in their faith over these things. But it will be cause they have become unreasonable in THEIR thinking. For earthling man would have you believe that Satan is an entirely different KIND of being... than other spirit beings... good or bad. But that is not true. Good... or bad... they are the same SPECIES. Just as good men... look no different... than bad men: they are the same... species.

  Job 1:6; 2:2; Genesis 28:12

  They claim to know "all things"... and yet, have never seen a spirit being... with... or without... a vessel. I have seen both. But that does not concern me, for they WILL seem them... they will see HIM... my Lord... as he TRULY is. And if we think they had a problem seeing him the flesh... what they WILL see... what has NOT been recounted to them... well, we can understand why my Lord said that they would cry out for the mountains to fall over them.

  My Lord is not white... he is not blonde... he is not black... he is not handsome... his hair is not like wool on the back of a sheep, but wool that has been cleaned and combed... long and white. And the wings of spirit creatures... are NOT bird-like; they do not have feathers on them. Eyes... yes. Some of them have MANY eyes in their wings... and hands... and backs...

  Ezekiel 10:12

  But... you don't have to take MY word for it. You can takes God's... however, you believe that Word to be... for both my Lord... and the Bible... bear witness to what I have said.

  Again, I bid you peace.

  A slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  gumby

  The story is mirrored in a number of ancient cults, the Egyptian,Phenician,Babylonian,Etruscan,Indian,and others. In the legends of these people the issue is always the separation between gods and men

  No they aren't pete. These are all lies of yours. I'm sure if a person was to look up exactly what you are saying they would find absolutely NOTHING. Where do you come up with these ideas...........history books and archeological proofs I suppose? Get real. What are you trying to do......take away our faith with these lies of yours?

  Your a heathen bastard!

  Gumby
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  peacefulpete

  love you too gumby
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  peacefulpete

  gumby...btw you are a wide eyed, head bobbing, finger pointing Jesus freak. (he he)
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  obiwan

  Why Was Adam Blocked From Tree of Life?

  Because he couldn't cross the road!
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  gumby

  I wonder why threads like this always die when it comes down to the part of something being exposed for what it is.

  Gumby
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  AGuest

  I wonder why threads like this always die when it comes down to the part of something being exposed for what it is.

  Me, too, Gumby... for when I look at the threads to which I've posted, most times, I am the last poster. Hmmmmm... Check it out for yourself. As for the questions you raised above, I would most definintely like to respond; however, I have been "late" to work I think three times already this week (praise JAH, I am "exempt"), and I have a meeting first thing today, so I will have to come back and visit later.

  DANNY BEAR... DDDDUUUUUUDDDE! I was wonderin' where you'd gotten off to. You, the Sp'Unkle and my other "homies"!! How's things? Everything alright with you and yours? I truly hope so! Peace to you!

  I also would like to address, briefly (yeah, right) if I may... the "danger" of letting folks believe what they wish to believe. My question is... what IS the danger? Of course, there are the Hitlers and popes... and "governing bodies"... of the world... who are discontent in their belief unless others... enmasse... believe WITH them. But there are those few of us who truly do not care if others "come along," for it truly isn't about that. Particularly in my case: for NO ONE can come the Christ... unless the FATHER (and not me!) draws them... and NO ONE can come to God... unless they go through the CHRIST (and not me). So, my role is MUCH smaller than perhaps many of you assume: I am just a messenger.

  Why is it that we assume ourselves SO... modern... SO... civilized... SO sophisticated... SO intelligent... and yet we STILL... at this late day and age... try to "kill"... the messenger? The saying is true: "There is NOTHING new... under the sun." We are still a backwards, unenlightened species... driven... by FEAR. Particularly fear of that about which we do not know and do not understand.

  Strikes me funny: there are SO many things that exist even in the physical world that we cannot SEE with the naked eye. Yet, we have NO doubt that they exist. Why? Because OTHERS have seem them... and in many cases brought back photos. Faith... however... does not NEED photos. And yet, faith... is not blind.

  Perhaps one day earthling man will come up with a "tool" that WILL allow them to see what is not seen now... the spirit realm. Perhaps. But we truly don't have to wait for that! A "tool" exists NOW... in these days... as in the days before. Christ. By means of him we SEE... NOW. For he is the one that grants us "eyesalve."

  As for the ancient myths... and their similarities... I would say to you, why not? Were it not for such myths new "worlds" would never have been discovered. Man's curiosities with regard to what he was told AS MYTHS... led him to seek that about which he has heard. I have done no different... and like them... I FOUND... what I sought. Many of YOU... are STILL seeking... STILL trying to unravel the "mysteries" of the universe. If you do not wish to accept what I offer as an explanation, so be it. But to ridicule those who believe differently is... archaic. Totally. For a man IS the sum total... of his beliefs. And I have not only TOLD you of mine... but I have demonstrated their... "result" to you. Love.

  As always, I bid you all the greatest of peace.

  A slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  DannyBear

  Hello Shelby dear,

  Thanks for the shout. Iam fine and hope the same for you. Spoke to SpUncle on the phone for over an hour about a month or so ago. He is a delight as always.

  ****As for the ancient myths... and their similarities... I would say to you, why not? Were it not for such myths new "worlds" would never have been discovered. Man's curiosities with regard to what he was told AS MYTHS... led him to seek that about which he has heard. I have done no different... and like them... I FOUND... what I sought. Many of YOU... are STILL seeking... STILL trying to unravel the "mysteries" of the universe. If you do not wish to accept what I offer as an explanation, so be it. But to ridicule those who believe differently is... archaic. Totally. For a man IS the sum total... of his beliefs. And I have not only TOLD you of mine... but I have demonstrated their... "result" to you. Love.****

  Sometimes it is hard to express a counterview without it sounding like ridicule. You make very strong points above Shell.

  Even so, Iam sure you will agree, so many blindly accept whatever they have been raised to believe, or what is the popular view at the time, that a healthy 'doubting Thomas' attitude can put things in perspective.

  It seems to me that when a belief requires the adherent to manufacture all sorts of symbols, types and antitypes, to make the belief plausable, it is an exercise in mind numbing platitudes, just to make the believer feel more assured of his/her stand.

  Danny