I understand that hypo-writing is a classic symptom of severe phsycosis.
Now where is the little head that rolls his eyes???.
Why Was Adam Blocked From Tree of Life?
by AGuest 71 Replies latest watchtower bible
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DannyBear
Shel,
I lived in San Fran for 13yrs so know the exact spot. Very common occurence in the 'tenderloin'. Although in reality that part of Market St is a region of its own in SF. Some of the world's wierdist can be found right smack in that spot.
Glad you survived the incident.
****I did hear things of a "disturbing" nature very early on. Twice. I remember once, that voice (which is NOT the same as my Lord's, but sometimes seems VERY close!) telling me to harm someone who had been causing me GREAT harm. And I was well intending to do it! And at the last moment, I heard my Lord's voice,****
Ok Shel some tough love now; If you believe that the lord Jesus Christ could be associated with anything remotely associated with what you said, YOU ARE BEING DUPED!
I don't care how many times you test the utterances, it just doesn't matter. The senario's you present are so far astray from how the Jesus of the bible was portrayed, so opposite from the simple and direct manner his life story reveals.
Why in the world would they have to play games with you Shel? What would motivate a pure and good entity to even allow you to be assaulted with "disturbing" messages?
What would happen if you all of a sudden one day realized the voice to be the 'GOOD' one, telling you to do something vile? Might you not then comply, out of sheer loyalty and trust??????
The courts of the land are full of cases involving other's like yourself who paid attention to voices, that they thought were real and good for them.........yadda yadda.
Get some immediate help. Stop the insanity. Your very life may one day depend on it.
Danny
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AGuest
And peace to you!
The "disturbing" voice was NOT my Lord's... but belonged to one who wanted to exploit what was in my heart at the time: anger and vengeance. My LORD, however, brought me back to my senses! I was going to "return evil for evil", truly. I was quite tired of this person's... ummmm... attacks. And I was justified in my weariness, truly. But it was my Lord who reminded me that I was not like the offender, and doing what I was thinking of would make me like that person. Which is what the other individual, the Adversary, wanted: if he could push me to act in a harmful way, then HE could say, "Aha! See?! I TOLD you!" My Lord... stopped me.
As for the REQUIREMENT that I tell people the truth about my Father and my Lord... there is no "requirement". I do it... out of MY love for them... in the manner that I explained it: MY loyalty... to THEM... as my friends. I cannot help it if I am a loyal person, Danny... truly. I also cannot change it. I have... MANY times... stood up for those I love or respect, when someone has spoken inaccurately of them. At work, at the Kingdom Hall... here. I cannot simply stand by, close-mouthed... when the truth about someone is not spoken. Whether the person ASKS me to speak up... or not. As I said, I would do the same for YOU.
2 Samuel 22:26, Jeremiah 3:12
As always, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,
SJ
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DJ
Hi Shelby,
Thanks for the story. I'm glad that you are ok and the woman too. It sounds to me like your conscience which I don't doubt is being guided. When you say" My Lord said,"....is that your way of expressing what went through your mind or is this an audible voice? Do you know what I mean? I have similar "voices" in my daily life but they are not audible, just my internal struggle with right/wrong, good/bad etc.. Is that what you mean? I also "hear" a difference in the "voices" of my internal struggles which is easily determined by following love in the spirit knowing that following the flesh is death. Does this make sense to you? love, dj
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AGuest
May you have peace!
I have done as you have asked... and I must say this to you first: I am not your mediator. I am not the one through whom you must go to approach God and ask your questions, nor am I the one through whom you must go to approach Christ. There is One appointed between you and God... and NONE between you and Christ. I am not a "medium" so that I can speak between you and the spirit realm - Christ... is your "mediator"... the medium... through whom you must "enter". He is the Door... the "narrow gate." Whatever you wish to know from this point on... you must receive from him. I cannot and will not make a reply.
With that said, I will tell you what I know to be true, the answer to the first part of your question: you are a seed of the woman... thrown down... and now... awaiting a regeneration.
With regard to the second part of your question, I am to refer you to the above statement regarding whom you must go to and through... and to Job 33:13-19... and say to you that your prayers WERE answered; it is you, however, who did not listen... so as to hear.
I, myself, SJ, have spoken it to you just as I have heard and received it from my Lord, JAHEHSUHA MISCHAJAH, the Son and Christ of the Most Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH... of Armies.
I bid you peace.
Your servant... as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with them, and a slave of Christ,
SJ
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AGuest
they are not audible, just my internal struggle with right/wrong, good/bad etc..
May I ask you... where is the "kingdom", dear one?
I also "hear" a difference in the "voices" of my internal struggles
May I ask you... if such voices are YOU... why the "difference"? Would that not make YOU schizophrenic?
which is easily determined by following love in the spirit knowing that following the flesh is death.
And may I ask you... who is it that wishes us to follow love... and therefore LIFE... and who is it that wishes us to follow the flesh... and therefore DEATH? Who is the High Priest of the one... and who is the agent of the other?
You... give the glory... to yourself. I... do not.
Does this make sense to you?
Let me ask you: if Christ dwells IN you... then is it not from withIN you... that he would speak? If your body is a TEMPLE... in which God... and Christ... make their "abode"... would it not stand to reason that the voice... would come... from withIN you?
John 14:23; Romans 8:9, 10
Does this... make sense... to YOU? Or do you lean... upon... your OWN... understanding?
Give the glory, dear DJ... to God. Then... you will begin to understand how the spirit works... and be led into the TRUTH... of ALL things.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
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AGuest
Dearest Noko... may you be rewarded to time indefinite for your great faith! May JAH... bless... you AND your entire household... to time indefinite.
YOUR servant, sister and fellow slave of Christ,
SJ
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DJ
Shel,
Now you are being mean. I did not give myself the glory in any way. I am fully aware WHO gave me my conscience and WHO gives me the discernment and WHO gives me the desire to obey and WHO gives me the strength to heed. That is the voice of the Good Shepherd within me helping me to obey and love instead of following my flesh. You must have read my post with a hard heart toward me. I only aske dif you could relate to me and if you just choose to use the language that you do such as "My Lord spoke" as a way of giving Him the glory instead of saying it the way that I did. I was not being disrespectful to you or my Lord. Sorry, if it sounded that way. I do not credit myself when I do right because I am only doing what I am supposed to do anyway. Having lived a large part of my life either not "listening" or Not having...I'm not sure which yet at this point in my life...I am grateful to have the voice of my Shepherd in my heart and mind. I refer to conscience not as a psychiatric term but as it is used biblically. A good conscience comes from a pure heart and both belong to God. Are you referring to the Kingdom within...I was. love, dj
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noko
DannyBear said:
For this entity to request (require) you to 'tell other's' about him, how is he/she any different than the god/gods of other religions?
On top of that, to ask you to endure the jibes the ridicule associated with the telling of the story, is it in fact the opposite of love and compassion, in fact evil? You think this spirit or entity is unaware of the response you would get from other's who do not see or hear the same voice(s)? Surely not. This is not loving, especialy when they (he/she)can and should reveal themselves to all the rest of us poor shmucks, who are just as yadda yadda yadda.
What this tells me about this visitation you describe is very simple.....they are masquerading as loving and kind!!!!!
Danny,
Stephen was also told by Holy Spirit (Christ) to witness in front of the High Priest and read what happened, this is Stephen speaking:
Ac 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do ye. Ac 7:52 Which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed them that showed before of the coming of the Righteous One; of whom ye have now become betrayers and murderers; Ac 7:53 ye who received the law as it was ordained by angels, and kept it not. Ac 7:54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Ac 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Ac 7:56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God. Ac 7:57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and rushed upon him with one accord; Ac 7:58 and they cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. Ac 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [the Lord], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Ac 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. I do recommend you read the whole account which starts in chapter 6:8 through 7:60.
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AGuest
that when someone speaks the truth... they are either lying... or being "mean"?
Now you are being mean.
Ah, well... peace to you, dear DJ. I was not being mean, not at all. I spoke the truth, which will be evident in a sec...
I did not give myself the glory in any way.
Notice your words, "in any way." Think about them for a minute. Now, let's continue, please...
I am fully aware WHO gave me my conscience and WHO gives me the discernment and WHO gives me the desire to obey and WHO gives me the strength to heed.
As am I...
That is the voice of the Good Shepherd within me helping me to obey and love instead of following my flesh.
(Scratching head)... and yet, when "I" say the very same thing... you warn me of listening to the wrong one! You... and others... intimate that I am hearing demons. You... and others... intimate that my Lord does not speak! But what is it that you are saying here?!
You must have read my post with a hard heart toward me.
Truly, I did no such thing, dear Gumby. I read your post... and responded... in truth... out of a pure motive: understanding the truth. My heart is hard toward no one.
I only asked if you could relate to me
Which I did...
and if you just choose to use the language that you do
I "choose" to speak the truth - it IS my Lord speaking... TO me... WITHIN me. Other than that, choice is not an option, for the only one left to me... is to lie about who it is that is speaking. It is you and others who deny such truth by means of you saying that it is you yourself who speaks. This is NOT true.
such as "My Lord spoke" as a way of giving Him the glory
It is not a "way" of giving him the glory, dear DJ - IT IS THE TRUTH! I have openly confessed and said to you people... I... do... not... KNOW... the... things... I... am... given... to... speak. It is NOT mine. I am just like you, "normal" in every way... EXCEPT... I know who it is that speaks to me... AND... I admit it.
instead of saying it the way that I did.
You said that it was you... speaking to yourself. Who, then, is glorified by means of the good works that you may do as a RESULT of such speech? If it is YOU... then the glory... belongs to YOU. For ME... I KNOW... it is not ME. I am just not that... ummmm... "good" or smart. Truly.
I was not being disrespectful to you or my Lord.
It was not I who said you were, for such a thing did not cross my mind. Perhaps, though... it was the voice... in YOU. You see, there are MANY times when we DO hear... and not from someone outside us, but from WITHIN... but then, rather than accept the TRUTH of what we hear... we deny it... perhaps even accusing someone of saying something... THEY... didn't say. Thus, if you HEARD that you were disrespecting your Lord... OUR Lord... would you deny the very voice that spoke such a thing to YOU... or who you heed the truth spoken by it?
You can DO this, dear DJ. We ALL can. It is simply a matter of whether or not we WANT to. Because I promise you this, and this promise is TRUE: the FOREMOST things that you will hear from the voice of my Lord is that which pertains to YOU... that which first refines YOU. It is only after you understand this and look at the man in the mirror... and see and hear about him FIRST... that you will be able to see... and hear... about any other. That is the entire meaning of Matthew 7:3-5 and John 3:19-21.
I will also tell you this: when the time comes that you DO see... it is not for YOU that you will! It is for those to whom you will be SENT... so as to relate it! Why is this important to understand? Because, for some reason, MANY people think that those who are given certain "gifts" are considered "special", etc. I tell you truthfully, THEY ARE SERVANTS. I stand still and look and listen NOT because my Lord is given something so special to ME... but because I may have the responsibility to RELATE it... and I must make sure that I do so... just so! Why? Because it is for my benefit... as well as that of those whom I am to relate it to. How then can I say I have LOVE... if I give them what has been given ME... watered down so as not to offend... changed, so as not to stumble... revised, so as to receive glory from men... and so on and so on? Would you not want me to relate it to YOU... just as it was related to ME? I think you would. For anything less... would be UNloving.
Sorry, if it sounded that way.
Wait! There is no apology necessary here. I know your heart and your motive: there was no malice and no intent to offend. Therefore, NO offense has been taken. Unfortunately, that is the problem with the "written" word - you cannot always determine MOTIVE. You cannot always determine MEANING. You cannot always determine TONE. It is only when one SPEAKS... that you truly know the underlying intentions... that you can hear the proper emphases and inflections. For example, I use caps to emphasize... but some take it to mean shouting; when nothing could be further from the truth! I do not should! EVER. But... it is EASIER for me to use caps... than to highlight and italicized. How, then, would you know the difference in my INTENT? You would have... to know... ME. Yes? And THAT is how I KNOW... what it is my Lord MEANS... when he is recorded to have said such and so: (1) I know HIM... what he would say, how he would say it... and what he would not; (2) I know his VOICE... so that sometimes he is said to say things that when I read it, I know was not him... or said to NOT say things that I knew IS him; and (3) I know his HEART... so that no matter what someone else tells me his INTENTION is... I know what it TRULY is.
I do not credit myself when I do right because I am only doing what I am supposed to do anyway.
I think you are saying here that you are due no credit because you are good for nothing slave. If, then, you are the slave, who is the MASTER whose VOICE you obey? I tell you truthfully, that in MY case... it is the Son of God, whose name is JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. You, however, have said that it is your "conscience". Since we have CONTROL over our consciences... then, in YOUR case, it is YOU who controls the voice, yes? But in my case, my conscience... and the voice... are totally different. How is that? Because, although the VOICE may tell me something... it is my CONSCIENCE... that tells me whether to listen... to hear... to obey.
Having lived a large part of my life either not "listening" or Not having...I'm not sure which yet at this point in my life...
Trust me, it's the first one - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! If you... and everyone else here thinks HARD enough... you will know that you heard... and answered... almost from infancy... but it was the GROWN UPS who told you to cut it out!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! That is why my Lord SAYS: "Unless you become like LITTLE CHILDREN..." Hear, dear DJ, and get the SENSE of that statement!
I am grateful to have the voice of my Shepherd in my heart and mind.
Are you? Grateful enough to tell anyone who inquires of you? ANYONE? Think hard before you answer, dear one...
I refer to conscience not as a psychiatric term but as it is used biblically. A good conscience comes from a pure heart and both belong to God.
Hmmm.... are you sure you understanding how it is used... Biblically? Because a conscience... can be "trained." Can the voice?
Are you referring to the Kingdom within...I was.
With regard to from where my Lord speaks, yes, I am... and I have been. If God and Christ reside IN us... then it is from withIN us... that they would speak, yes? Perhaps you, though, like others... think that I would be walking down the road and lightening would flash and, then, well... voila! Like Saul of Tarsus. I exhort you, then, with regard to entering into the NEW Covenant... read Hebrews 12:18-29... and get the SENSE of it:
- 12:18
- For you have NOT come to a mountain... that can be touched... and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind
Unlike at Mt. Sinai, we have NOT been brought before such things, dear DJ... there is nothing that can be FELT with the hands... no blazing fire... no darkness and gloom and whirlwind... which WAS there at Sinai!
- 12:19
- and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them.
- 12:20
- For they could not bear the command, "IF EVEN A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT WILL BE STONED."
Because the voice that if even a BEAST touched the mountain... it was to be stoned. Now, if a BEAST touched it and was stoned, what would happen to them if THEY touched it?! No, they didn't want any more... they didn't want to HEAR... or SEE; it was too fearsome to them, even for Moses!- 12:21
- And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, "I AM FULL OF FEAR and trembling."
See?! But it is not like that for US... those who are approaching Mt. ZION... and entering into a NEW Covenant!- 12:22
- But you have come to Mount Zion
and NOT Mt. Sinai...
and to the city of the living God,
the NEW Jerusalem...
the heavenly Jerusalem,
NOT the earthly one...
and to myriads of angels
NOT myriads of men... a vast mixed company and Israel... but...
- 12:23
- to the general assembly and church
NOT of earthling man... not of Calvin or Luther or Wesley or Smith or Russell or Rutherford or Pope This or That... but
of the firstborn who
who is the CHRIST... and the members of whose "assembly" and "church" are
are enrolled in heaven,
not THERE... yet... but spaces reserved...and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
because, of course, God is there, for His throne SITS on Mt. Zion... and the SPIRITS (not the fleshly bodies!) of the righteous "made perfect"... those given "white robes"... are there, under the altar...
- 12:24
- and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant,
HOLY SPIRIT... living water... the "bath, that cleanses"... which was POURED OUT on God's people to CLEANSE them!- and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
- So, okay... by means of the NEW Covenant... we... approach... something... DIFFERENT. If what we APPROACH is different, then our way of hearing and seeing would be different, yes? Thus, although Israel before us heard in the manner above... we are now HERE:
- 12:25
- See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking.
Wait! Someone is SPEAKING?!! Indeed, someone IS... and it is for our benefit that we should LISTEN...
For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth,
Notice, the warning was ON EARTH...
much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.
And where is HEAVEN? Is it not where God's resides? And where... does God... RESIDE? Is it not in His TEMPLE? And if YOU are the "temple"... would He not dwell... in YOU?
But... I can't HEAR Him... you say? Read on, please...
- 12:26
- And His voice... shook the earth... then,
Notice... THEN... it shook... the earth! Remember... folks always thinking the earth was "quaking"?
but now He has promised, saying, "YET ONCE MORE I WILL SHAKE NOT ONLY THE EARTH... BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN."
This is NOT speaking... abou the big blue sky, dear one! It is speaking... about the heaven... that is in... YOUR... midst!
- 12:27
- This expression, "Yet once more," denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken,
Such as that which is earthly... terrestrial... PHYSICAL... which is why is says...
as of created things, so that
to differentiate them from...
those things which cannot be shaken
that is which SPIRITUAL... immovable...may remain.
incorrupt... immortal.- 12:28
- Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken,
let us show gratitude,
- KISS THE SON...
by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe;
and give the GLORY to him and God...- 12:29
- for our God is a consuming fire.