by anotheropenviewpoint 72 Replies latest jw friends
Sounds like someone needs to rewatch the video that they released on blood transfusion....
I know far more about the JW stance on blood than you do. Now tell me, what does the WT's video on blood transfusion have to do with their earlier stance on organ transplantation*?
*besides the fact (overlooked by the WT) that a blood transfusion is much more like an organ transplant than it is "eating" or nourishing oneself with" blood.
It wasn't a "belief", it was an absolute rule from Jehovah God, spoken thru and enforced by his mouthpiece on earth, the F&DS. One stood to lose his family and community and worse, his relationship with god, if one did not accept this rule. Yeah, you bet it became your belief, if you wanted to keep your world turning.
Again, BS BS BS - Whats the worst that could happen? you get DF'ed? If that - and more than likely not. Its a belief and everyone controls what they themselves want to believe. Its just like small cramped rooms, some people are clostraphobic, others are not... some people are watchtower-phobic... others are not. The ones that are not, trust in Jehovah. The ones that are, trust in the organization.
And again, the society has produced many articles on non-blood surgeries and transplants. http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/1/8/article_03a.htm
looking for someone real
No wonder you are looking here rather than in the Kingdom Hall then!
Are these quotes real enough for you:
Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic.
The Watchtower 11/15/1967 p. 702
There are those, such as the Christian witnesses of Jehovah, who consider all transplants between humans as cannibalism; and is not the utilizing of the flesh of another human for one's own life cannibalistic?
- Awake! 06/08/1968 p. 21
You say its just a teaching, who put out this teaching? Gods mouthpiece!
Has Gods mouthpiece ever apologised to those it misled with its teaching? Those who went blind, remain disabled to this day and to those families who lost loved ones? No. You cant empathise with these people if it means admitting the Watchtower is a killer cult can you? Deny it all you like but it doesnt change the fact that it is.
Brummie
Its a belief and everyone controls what they themselves want to believe.
Perhaps you do. I didn't, as a child, nor as an adult, as my mind had been captured since childbirth.
Perhaps "controls what they themselves want to believe" is the key to understanding your lack of understanding. Even now, I don't aproach my beliefs that way. I simply try to limit my beliefs to things which I have evidence for, and I try to keep my standard for what constitutes good evidence very high. If I don't have evidence, there is no law that says I have to form a belief on every topic. Being brilliant, I generally do anyway.
And again, the society has produced many articles on non-blood surgeries and transplants.
And what is your point? My point regarding that would be: no shit? Do you think most of us haven't looked at those far closer than you have?
You keep mentioning "emotional crap". I wonder if you don't seperate thinking from feeling very well. People should take note of the "emotional crap" that happens due to the org's failings, but they should also have an accurate, thought based reason for identifying and discussing those failings of the WT. Most here do pretty good with that, even if the "emotional crap" is where the high drama is.
If I didn't know you better, I'd think you were just an unfeeling old fuck. But I know you better .
Addressing specifically for Hilary... by special request
Of course things were learned, some good, some bad and many indifferent. There is no doubt that many whose lives were purposeless and without meaning were given focus and a support system by their attachment to the WTS. Many have been damaged by the same system as you note in your opening post. The same can be said of any religion, despite your seeming lack of respect for other peoples faith. For example, the Catholics harbor priests that abuse children, they also manage leper colonies and run hospices for those who die screaming in the night, something the WTS could afford to do, but chooses not to. The Salvation Army does a commendable job throughout the world helping the unfortunate within society and expecting nothing in return - a very Christian quality, I am sure that you would agree.
The issue is not really whether the WTS is the correct religion because it helped you to get your life, or my life in order, as this may have happened in some other religious or social scenario. I know at least five persons whose life was saved by Alcoholics Anonymous, but despite the millions of lives repaired by AA, they do not claim to speak for God. It would also mean that all the Hindus and Buddhists who were enmeshed in substance abuse and manage to free themselves, would by your own definition be worshipping a useful God - do you believe that they are?
The issue is whether what the WTS preaches is sustainable Scriptually and socially. On both these counts many on this Board have researched the issue and found the WTS is claiming to be what it is not. I am very pleased that your worship of the WTS, and I use that term deliberately, has bought you happiness. I hope that you continue in your studies with an open mind and with your personal integrity intact.
I was requested to answer "questions" from Hilary's post, but I see only one. would by your own definition be worshipping a useful God - do you believe that they are?
My answer : And then? Does that really, really matter? We are all in a search for a meaning, a purpose in life... in that search we may come across doctrines, cultures and ways of life that we may either agree with or disagree with. Our own searches lead us down our own life's paths... plain and simple, if you dont like the WTS... Get TF OUT ! If you do... STAY.
Not to dodge your question... do I believe... sure.... why not... doesnt mean you have to.
With that... again... all Im seeing is emotional whining, your saying nothing... BAH I say!
To correct your VERY VERY incorrect statement made to me, I am very pleased that your worship of the WTS - I worship no such society. I have searched for my god and he has drawn me to him, and his name is Jehovah. It just so happens that I am guiding my knowledge in learing of him and drawing close to him by studing as a JW.... an imperfect organization, as all of god's people have always been. Wether or not the WTS is right or wrong, I believe that Jehovah knows our hearts and he will decide when the time is right what happens and what doesnt (notice I am leaving that open ended) because none of us know what IS going to happen until it happens.
FOR GOD'S SAKE PEOPLE BE AN INDIVIDUAL ALREADY
How dare any of you claim what my knowledge might hold or not, as I have not exposed myself just yet.
Listen, all of us, our parents taught us something, they taught us how to read, write, speak English (or native language) and they also taught us their beliefs.
Just as with the way that you speak English, if you were brought up in the South, then you have an accent... and not "proper English" (using this as an example only)... but when you grew up you left home moved somewhere else and you start to loose the accent a bit but its always still there a bit.
Same with those who were "brought up in the truth"... I was... but I was disfellowshipped just before college. I have been way for almost 6 years now (do the math, Im not old) and it gave me time to study, research and learn alot of things... one of those being you ahve to think for yourself no matter what surronding you may be in.
All in all..... only few in this discussion thread actually answered the question at hand... "Do you feel that you learned anything" as with you an English accent... did you take something with you?
But... all in all... most of you, not all but most... simply used this thread as another bitching session and didnt even answer it.
Im not old
heheh. Like we couldn't tell.
could tell?
HA.... granted, Im in my 20's, but thinking that has anything to do with my ability to think or speak with authority on what I know, reaseached, studied or believed.... is close minded.
Answer me this.... what have I stated as fact thus far? anything?
Question everything from every angle, never be set in your ways, or even dare to think that any of us under the age of 1000 (yes one thousand) years old even have a single glimpse of what we think we know. What IS what we "know" based of off? Fact? Decided by whom?
I call each and every one of you out... on what you THINK you know about anything. i.e. your an eye witness you say... you saw it with your own two eyes eh? Are you sure you saw what you think you saw? Are you sure you learned what you think you learned or think what it was that you were being taught?
Remember - "there is no spoon"
HA.... granted, Im in my 20's, but thinking that has anything to do with my ability to think or speak with authority on what I know, reaseached, studied or believed.... is close minded.
All I can tell you is, I knew.
Remember - "there is no spoon"Please, at least act 20. I'm gonna go neo on the next dumbass matrix fan that insults my intelligence.
Excuse me Brother anotheropenviewpoint, but do you really think you should be using fould language on this board, even if is done with a letter removed so as to pass through filters? Certainly, Jehovah would not be pleased with such reproachful language.
Do you think it wise to "eat at the table of demons" by posting on an apostate site? What is your motivation for doing so? If it is to "help" or "hinder" the apostates you are acting against the directives of the Society and the God-appointed Faithful and Discreet Slave and it's Governing Body.
Remember to "love those hating you" and leave things in Jehovah's hands. Give Him time. He'll come through.
Brother Bradley
