Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman 205 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cofty
    cofty
    Let’s talk about chimp to man. Evolutionist say that the difference between man and chimp is 1.5 %. Does not seem much. What we need to find out is how much is much. When we hear that there is a 1 ½ % difference between man and chimp it seems not to be much. But we must take into account what 1 ½% exactly means. If there are three billion base pairs in a human 1 ½% calculates to 45 million base pairs or 15 million codons. It is estimated that it would take 10X10^21 mutations to get five condons to mutate in the right order. One and half percent does not look like much but when analyzed, it becomes overwhelming evidence against man ever evolving from a chimp.

    Difficult to imagine how you could write a short post that displays more ignorance of genetics, logic and evolution.

    Jaw-dropping!

  • cofty
    cofty

    One of the major differences between mammals and reptiles is in our ears.

    We have three small bones that transmit sound to the inner ear. Technically called "auditory ossicles", they are the malleus (hammer), incus (anvil), and stapes (stirrup).

    Reptiles have just one bone in their ears, the stapes. The additional ossicles in our ears act as a lever to amplify the compressions and rarefactions of the air. The challenge for evolution is to explain where these additional mammalian bones came from.

    What reptiles lack in the ear they more than make up for in their jaw. Our lower jaw is made of just one bone but reptiles have a whole array of them. Since evolution frequently adapts existing features and puts them to new uses, could it be that jaw bones of our reptile-like ancestors have been modified to do the job of hearing instead of chewing?

    Evidence from comparative anatomy, embryology and paleontology all combine to prove that this is the case.

    There are many transitional fossils that illustrate this fascinating aspect of evolution. In this post I want to highlight three of them.

    Dimetrodon lived between 290 and 270 million years ago. It belongs to a group of species known as the synapsids which are reptile-like but more closely related to mammals than modern reptiles. It was already extinct 40 million years before the dinosaurs first appeared.

    You can see from the picture that it had an impressive collection of bones in its lower jaw. The articular bone hinged against the quadrate bone of the skull and both abutted against the stapes transmitting sounds from the jaw to the inner ear. The dentary bone which holds the simple teeth is not involved in the joint.

    As we come forward in time the fossil record shows all the non-dentary bones reducing in size until they become just tiny splints in the inside back of the jaw. At the same time the dentary bone gets bigger until it becomes the entire jaw. As synapsids became more active in chewing with their differentiated teeth they needed a stronger bone. One bone is better than many bones stitched together.

    Diarthrognathus provides us with an exceptional example of this stage of evolution. It lived around 200 million years ago. Its name literally means "two jaw joint". Its dentary bone has expanded upward and made contact with the squamosal bone of the skull to form a new jaw joint. However the old articular/quadrate joint is still fully intact.

    We could not ask for a more perfect example of a transitional form.

    Moving further along the timeline the fossils show that the old articular/quadrate joint becomes so diminished that it no longer serves that purpose and the dentary/squamosal joint takes over completely. So what became of the quadrate and articular bones? They continue to reduce, become detached from the jaw and move into the middle ear to become the incus and malleus respectively.

    In 2007 Luo Zhexi and his colleagues described a fossil called Yanoconodon from the Yixian Formation in China. It is a true mammal that lived around 122 million years ago and has been labelled as "The Rosetta Stone" of mammalian ear evolution. The amazing thing about this creature is that it has the tiny auditory ossicles like any modern mammal but they are still fused to the lower jaw.

    Supporting the evidence for ear evolution is the interesting fact that in the human embryo the incus and malleus bones first appear in the jaw and move up to the middle ear during development. Even after birth the little bones may retain a few lingering filaments of so-called Meckel’s cartilage.

    Dr Karen Sears investigated the embryology of opossums and discovered that the process is slowed in the case of that species. They are born with the incus and malleus still part of the jaw and looking a lot like the arrangement of a reptile jaw. As they grow up the bones migrate the middle ear as in all other mammals.

    This story that is told so eloquently by the fossil record as well as in the embryonic development of modern species is an amazing example of evolution of a major transition.

    When creationist demand a fossil of a creature with "half an ear" we can actually provide them in abundance.

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    Whatshallicallmyself

    So you believe I can take 1 step but cannot accept I can walk across town... That about sums up your comment.

    I believe you can do that.

    I don't believe a chimp can take 1 step and when he is done walking across town he somehow becomes a man

  • Finkelstein
  • unsure
    unsure

    Again for the record, I'm agnostic.

    What I find exhausting and disheartening is that even if intelligent design was proven, the very next forum post would be about who's intelligent designer is the true God.

    Why does it have to be this complicated?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    When one critically examines the activity within the occurrences of the universe it was obviously not made by a intelligent designer /creator.

    Although there are some people who so assuming with their intelligence and knowledge in such high personal stature, they are too prideful and arrogant to accept that knowledge.

  • GrreatTeacher
    GrreatTeacher

    Eusthenopteron is a very cool fossil. I showed my class a picture of a Coelocanth fossil that had front fins that had 5 bones similar to hand bones. Very cool.

    What really blew my kids away was when I told them that these creatures still exist! An organism that shows transitional features and has happened to live in the west Indian Ocean off the east coast of Africa for millions of years. It hasn't evolved further because it hasn't had to. It's suited for its environment. Had the environment changed, it would have had to adapt or die. But, the ocean environment has been very similar for millions of years.

    That's the interesting thing and what a lot of people misunderstand: if an animal is suited to its environment, the environment doesnt change, and no mutations pop up that are useful for survival, the species survives as is.

    If the environment changes, then the organism can either benefit from mutations that may provide a useful advantage in survival, or, if there are no helpful mutations, it dies. It either ADAPTS or DIES. So many have died and are now extinct. Only the fittest survive to reproduce.

    Lovely work, Cofty.

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    Cofty

    I have answered all your post with one question that you keep ignoring.

    What is the source of biological information?

  • GrreatTeacher
    GrreatTeacher

    Nope, what you are doing is changing the subject.

    You started the discussion on the subject of evolution, and now you are changing it to abiogenesis.

    Stick with your own thesis.

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    Great teacher.

    If we can funnel all these topics into one subject, what would that be? The answer that puts this question to rest would be the closes to the beginning of life. That would be biological information. And if you read the thread you would notice every time I ask for the source, suddenly 'silence'.

    BTW all you have is a fish with five unique bones.

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