Men: Honest answers, please, to an honest question

by berylblue 87 Replies latest social current

  • maxwell
    maxwell

    I read the thread fairly quickly, but I think my view probably repeats what a lot of others have said. Men and women are different. If they were absolutely equal then we would be asexual beings. I think that in general men tend to rely more on logic while women tend to rely more on emotion. I have probably made the wrong decision on many things and I am sure I will in the future, but I still tend to think, rightly or wrongly, logic is a better basis for decisions. This is not to say there aren't exceptions. There are women who are much better analytical thinkers than I am. Also I am aware of situations where emotional ability puts me at a severe disadvantage to someone who has is capable in that area.

    Men are generally stronger than women. However, I feel that overall I'm superior to some men who are physically stronger than me. So that's no indicator. Edited to add this: Maybe this is why women are underrepresented in such job sectors as trash collection, landscaping(the people who are actually out mowing lawns and cutting and laying sod etc.), movers and construction ditch digging. I see them go for the architect job in construction, but not many going for the ditch digging part My wife saw a female taxi driver the other day. I've never seen one myself. We actually have a female domino's pizza delivery person. That was the first one I'd seen. Just a little observation. On the other hand I used to work part-time at night moving packages for Fed-Ex. Very physical work unloading trucks and loading planes with packages ranging up to 75 lbs. Officially you were supposed to get help if it weighed more than that. It took me 2 or 3 months before I got adjusted and that job got me into the best shape I ever was. More men than women there and many dragged their butts. But the women who pulled their weight were doing more than 90% of the men, I'd say. I knew one particular lady who worked a fulltime day job in a packing and loading job and then came out at night for the Fed-Ex job. She used to kick my butt when were unloading trucks.

    Mentally, I've seen no evidence that men or women are more intelligent than each other. It just seems that certain groups are people are more interested in certain things. I went to school for electrical engineering. There are always programs to attract more women and minorities into engineering and into the software field. But I think the simple fact is that most of the women and African-Americans I have come into contact with had no interest even in the basic math and science it takes to build a foundation for those fields. I'm a black guy by the way. I love math and physics, and there were only a few other African-Americans in the engineering programs. And probably less than 20% of the students were women. Despite that, a woman graduated with the highest GPA in my electrical engineering class.

    On the other hand I think there tends to be more women and African Americans in majors like communication or sociology. Those majors are traditionally thought as being softer. My fellow engineering students and I would sometimes crack on business majors. "Where does an F engineering student go?" "To the business building." Or did I hear something like that in a Dilbert cartoon. There was a much better women to men ratio in the business programs also. Anyway, that was our jovial perception, but perhaps a better view would have been to say that it was just a different area that women and blacks tended to like more.

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir
    Homer and Peter don't deserve Marge and Lois, they need them.

    So why do Lois and Marge stay with Peter and Homer?? Why do they not insist on being treated with respect (at a minimum)? Too dumb to figure out they deserve better treatment? Or does it just never occur to the writers that there's something screwy about women putting up with that sort of treatment? Just like it doesn't occur to most of the audience that the relationship between the characters is screwy?

    Personally, I'm beginning to think that the underlying message of shows like that is that it's OK for men to be worthless louts...they'll be happy and they can 'get away with it' without consequences. Or, at least, that's the fantasy of the writers and some of the male audience...we can be fat, worthless and stupid and treat our (much more intelligent and desireable) wives like crap, and get away with it! Why put forth the effort on ourselves and our relationship? We don't have to!

    Lest you think I'm totally devoid of a sense of humor, I'm not (South Park is one of my favorite shows)...it's just that I sometimes actually think introspectively about stuff like this...question my own reaction to this "harmless humor and entertainment"...and wonder if I should think this is funny.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Women want equality? It's good of them to give up so much power !

    Seriously, I think 'equal' is a bad word because we are different. Each sex generally has strengths and weaknesses (there will always be the individual exceptions due to overlaps) so we should look at how people work together.

    I do hate women who get snotty when we hold doors open, it's just rude. I'll hold a door open for anyone.

    Some of the women I have come across in business are unnecessarilly aggressive and I think are a little out of their depth but then I know plenty of men who are incompetent fools too. People are people (I despise people in jobs that they are incapable of doing and trying to get everyone else to do things for them).

    People are all individuals and shoudl be judged on their own merits, not what sex they are.

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka
    I do hate women who get snotty when we hold doors open, it's just rude. I'll hold a door open for anyone.

    This is my biggest pet peeve. I'll hold open the door for old women, young, pretty, ugly, skinny, fat. Still, for some reason, every 'pretty' (not soul-pretty, of course) woman I hold the door open for sneers at me, as if I held open the door so I could introduce the subject of copulation.

    I don't flirt or even smile, I may nod my head respectfully......morons.

    Old women are by far the sweetest about the door-opening. That, and mothers with five screaming kids. They appreciate a little help. I like moms.

    ash

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir

    I don't get it...I consider myself a feminist, but I always smile and say thank you when someone (male or female) holds a door for me. For crying out loud, why be nasty to someone who's just trying to be nice?

    Of course, whenever I walk through a door, I always 'catch' it if there's somebody behind me, until they can get it...male or female. And I will go out of my way to open and hold a door for someone who's carrying packages or has a cart (lots of carts here at the med center), even if I'm not going out that door.

    I've never been with other women, that I can remember, where anybody was rude to a guy who held a door for any of us...yet I often hear people talking about this. Who are these rude women? Where are they found?

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir

    RE: men being better in some fields and women being better in others...

    As more and more women are encouraged to excell in math and science, and more studies are being done, I'm not sure that the old dichotomies are standing up to the newer evidence.

    I've begun to think that it's not a matter of being 'better'...it's just a matter of both being able to get equally good results in different ways.

    People's brains work differently. Someone can explain a concept to you, and you just don't get it...then somebody else explains it in a slightly different way and it makes sense.

    Different routes to the same destination.

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka
    Where are they found?

    In Jersey. I swear to you, they're everywhere.

    ash

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir
    Still, for some reason, every 'pretty' (not soul-pretty, of course) woman I hold the door open for sneers at me, as if I held open the door so I could introduce the subject of copulation.

    Oh, I didn't catch that before...I guess I'm not in your study group I'm not young and 'pretty' so the fact that I'm not rude doesn't change your data!

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu
    I'll hold open the door for old women, young, pretty, ugly, skinny, fat. Still, for some reason, every 'pretty' (not soul-pretty, of course) woman I hold the door open for sneers at me, as if I held open the door so I could introduce the subject of copulation.

    I'll tell you my personal thoughts on this one. Most attractive women have been able to get anything they want with their looks. Their looks get them anywhere and anything they want. They EXPECT you to hold the door open for them, they EXPECT you to comment on how beautiful they are.

    Another thing that adds to women acting like this is the amount of men in her life trying to kiss her ass to get a date with her. These men shower her with attention, buy her gifts, do favors for her, etc. They have helped put her on the pedestal that she rules on.

    But, go up to a woman like this, tell her she has a cute moustache, and see how quickly she falls off her pedestal.

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka
    I'm not young and 'pretty' so the fact that I'm not rude doesn't change your data!

    Actually it doesn't. I've rarely found any woman outside of the 'pretty' set that are rude to me when I try to act like a gentleman. Most everyone else is very polite, with one or two exceptions that I remember.

    pssssst!-I'm not good looking or skinny either. Still, I may not be a male model, but at least when I do something nice, I'm not gaping at their boobage .

    But, go up to a woman like this, tell her she has a cute moustache, and see how quickly she falls off her pedestal.

    Excellent. (pents fingers)

    You've given me some wonderful ideas Nosferatu.

    ash

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