Most of you are just pitiful whiners. !! (page 6)

Vivamus

And Northern Girl, I think you should take the hurt some have suffered into account. People need time to deal with grief, pain and suffering. If you have ever been hurt in your life, you know that I speak the truth about that. There is no questioning the damage the watchtower has done to many people. And each of those people need time to heal, and each does so in their own way.

Live and let live. Respect above all.

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And the world shall tremble in the wake of the Blue Bubblegum
Dutch District Overbeer

northern girl

Obiwan ... yes, you are not pitiful.

Vivamus: Of course most people here have suffered pain ... I have too. All I'm saying is take some personal responsibilty and quit blaming someone or something. The sooner one puts bad things behind them the faster they will move on and the healing begins. Bringing up old topics of our painful pasts can only keep the old sores festering. Or is that what some people want?

northern girl

Emma

What if everyone just ignored northern girls posts? At least the inflammatory ones?

northern girl

Emma:

You disappoint me. I was called on the carpet and was defending my position. If you have a problem with that, I'll be sure to call you up if you ever try defending yourself. Do you have a problem with that or would you rather hide behind your pitiful attitude?

northern girl

gambit

Although on the outside it may appear the same, I beleive that there is a difference between "greiving and accepting" and "suppressing and denying"...

To "forgive and forget" is a ridiculous way to live life and to me, thats about the same as "suppress and deny"... Let's see... My neighbor just lied to me about something really important. Sure he apoloigized. Yes, I forgive him... ie No hard feelings, no vindication required, no more discussion necessary to resolve my "grief" that occured... But I won't forget ! Same model holds for any number of issues, but lets keep this light...

Many, many bad things happen to good people all the time... to simply say it is behind you is to deny the pain, anger, sadness, and all the other emotions associated with the bad... The greiving process is very well studied and known, and as far as possible concerning human behavior, shown to be a very accurate model of healthy recovery. We also know that for whatever reason, people get stuck in certain steps of this process... maybe the pain is too great, maybe it is simply so one can function in life till they can get a vacation (real or imagined), maybe it's fear... each individual is unique in this respect, and each individual should be respected for this uniqueness... it is health to "bargain", it's unhealthy to stay there... it's health to vent your anger and have it validated and supported, it's unhealthy to be told its wrong; forget about it it will go away... it's healthy to cry and have someone hold you, it's unhealthy to be told big boys (or girls) dont cry... it's healthy to go on and on and preach what you think is right... it's unhealthy to believe anyone is listening...

I'd have to believe that this board exists as a result of this process... It is extremely healthy so long as the human spirit is respected... It is extremely unhealthy to deny that this process is in all of us, day in and day out, at various degrees, for various reasons...

yes, its a personal responsibility... I choose to accept and support whatever phase of this process that each individual is in as their issue... I hope all will be able to see where in the process I am, and choose to support me in my endeavor...

** I'm just now starting to see and feel how long this road (bumpy at that) really is **

gambit **and thats all i got to say about that**

William Penwell

northern girl,

I don't mean to attack your faith, so if you don't like what I am writing than don't read it. I was raised as a JW and I had no choice in the matter. I was raised as I had to accept it as gospel truth. I lived through the 1975 fiasco and all the hype. That this old system's end only had a matter of days or hours and how so many devote members gave up everything for that dream. Then after the fact the GB didn't even have the guts to admit their mistake but blamed it on those ones that gave up so much for them. If they are supposed "spirit directed", how could they have made such an error in judgement in the first place?

I respect your faith and would not want to ruin it. If that is what you choose the more power to you. Just respect our choice to choose our own spiritual paths. My job now is not to ruin the faith of those that accept the WT as gospel truth but to warn those outside that this is a dangerous, mind controlling cult.

Will

northern girl

Will:

But you did attack my faith. You brought up the subject of a mythological devil. Anyone who who has studied JW beliefs understands your point.

My point all along is that so many hang their hats on their suffering brought on them by others. Time to smell the coffee and ... MOVE ON!!!!

northern girl

William Penwell

northern girl,

Yes most people will move on eventually. You have to remember that most people here have been hurt by an organization they put all there hope and trust in. It is part of the healing process. Do I regret being a JW? No I don't... It was all part of my spiritual growth. Life is a learning experience and we must learn from our past choices/mistakes and move on. This way we will grow and become a better person. The fool is the one that doesn't learn from their past life's choices. Jesus was a self actualizing person that had no fear of disapproval from the religious leaders of his day. It was the later Churches theologians that turned it into an ideology of control and self hate.

Will

northern girl

Will:

If you recall any of your past studies you know to call no one a 'fool'.

Life is a learning experience.

Did I say Jesus was afraid of religious leaders of his day? Your point is????

Control and self hate? Are we on the same page here?

northern girl

Most of you are just pitiful whiners. !!

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