Most of you are just pitiful whiners. !! (page 7)

Brummie

Avengers, I havent read this entire thread but I will confess to being a pitiful whiner.. well just a tad of one..

Nothern Girl..

All I'm saying is take some personal responsibilty and quit blaming someone or something.

See sometimes when people are hurting its best not to say"all I am saying" in fact its best not to say anything, be a good listner and you will be more sensitive to whats happening in their hearts. I'm not condemning you, I fall short of this too as is blatantly obvious.

The sooner one puts bad things behind them the faster they will move on and the healing begins.

That is just soOo not good advice. But thats ok, I have plenty advice to give sometimes and its stinks too. Now, dont put things behind you and move on, address them, talk about them, blame someone if they are responsible, get it out and in the open, otherwise you will never get any distance from it. Dont put it behind you but confront it head on.

Just my pennies worth.

PS>>Wen you become a JW again will you get me the new CD rom please? I'll be a mag route as well if you like. I dont think I could stomach being a ~~bible~~ book study, going through those things once a week would surely bring on severe depression.

Brummie

northern girl

Hi Brummie,

Did you slide in here to take the heat off Will? I still don't know what he's talking about.

Now, you on the other hand, I read you loud and clear. I understand the healing process. There does have to be some closure sometime. All the wrongs in ones past isn't necessarily someone elses fault. Maybe I am a tad blunt or just thick skinned but all this blame flying around seems a bit much.

In the instance of child abuse ... of course that is a different situation but shouldn't they be getting professional help? Does anyone here actually benefit from this constant repetition?

We'd never want to see you get depressed ... would we?

northern girl

Gopher

shouldn't they be getting professional help?

Yep -- that's the point. The JW elders should NOT get involved in child abuse matters. They should step aside and let trained professionals and/or law enforcement do their job. After all that is done, then the elders should take definite steps to protect the congregation from perverted ones.

Does anyone here actually benefit from this constant repetition?

LOL. The WT Society's publications are nothing if not repetitive. We're just borrowing a page from their book.

But actually the repetition is for the benefit of new lurkers and new members who perhaps have not fully considered some of these issues previously.

ESTEE

ng wrote:

avengers: You are beyond hope.

This is very typical jw-lingo judgment talk….

Judgment does not become you, ng…please just respect our choice to choose our own spiritual paths.

My job now is not to ruin the faith of those that accept the WT as gospel truth but to warn those outside that this is a dangerous, mind controlling cult. ~~~ Will

Many of us here recognize the mind-control...the brainiwashing techniques of the dubs. We want no part of it anymore. We have been set free from the enslavement.

See...ng…it’s this way…we have chosen our path….the choice was to leave or let go of the jws. It is a painful journey because of the abuse we have endured....at the hands of the elders that we trusted and were betrayed by......It was painful before we left….so we left. If we were happy as a dub, we would not have left….would we? I mean…compare it to a marriage….if I was happy with my husband, would I leave??? If I was even “relatively happy”, I might still stay. If I was downright miserable, why WOULD I stay? Like, why would I stay in a miserable marriage?

ng…I gotta say….if you wanna go back…then go…..GO…..GO….NOW!!! Go back to your abusive figurative “husband” who “threw” you out by DisfellowshippingTM... Beg and grovel for "his" forgiveness....endure his "tests of your faith" that "he" will inflict upon you...his questions of distrust...of your worthiness...his judgment...his disdain....even contempt...

Please don’t hang around us ApostatesTM….or you will become one!!!!

You are treading on dangerous ground…don’t you think??? If you think you DON’T belong here, then why are you here?

Seriously honey…if you wanna go back…..just quietly go away…shhhhhh…..gooooo…..

If you wanna stay and heal awhile...then stay and heal from your pain....which I am sensing is there...

ESTEE

northern girl

Estee:

The trouble with posting as you just have ... there is a permanent record of your poor taste.

northern girl

ESTEE

ng appears to have judged me...

Brummie

No Northern Girl, I didnt come to take the heat of will, are you barbequing him? I havent read any of the posts here except the subheading and I caught your one post.

There does have to be some closure sometime.

I now you already know this but closure will only come when something has been dealt with. The healing process happens when someone confronts the issues, and tackles them, talks about them ...we stifle that process when we draw a time limit on how long they have to get over it. For some it takes years, it depends on how deep the hurt is. Burying the issues and trying to move on in life is simply a case of putting the pause button on, it will resurface or manifest itself in different ways at some stage. I know, I know, I'm preaching to the choir.

child abuse...of course that is a different situation but shouldn't they be getting professional help? Does anyone here actually benefit from this constant repetition?

Gopher made a good point. But none the less, dont underestimate how much healing comes in being able to talk about it to none proffesionals but rather when talking to fellow victims. I'm not underestimating proffesionals, i'm just saying that both are a good weapon in the healing process.

As for the constant repetition, abuse of any sort constantly hounds the mind and therefore gives rise to having to talk about it, remember, abuse victims have had to bury their hurt for years, its gonna take time to get it all out.

Now that being said, I seldom talk about abuse to anyone, I dont read about it either. I dont have the need to talk it through on a regular basis right now, but I know if I ever do, I can come here and find support.

You have been subject to abuse, so I know I am singing to the choir but havent I got a wonderful voice? 5 octives ya know. (did I hear someone say yuk )

Brummie

shamus

Yes, I am a pitiful whiner, thank you very much!

Thank you for noticing!

northern girl

Brummie:

I would never underestimate you for one second.

northern girl

Brummie

I'm good at waffling though arnt I? I could talk the hind legs off a horse.

Most of you are just pitiful whiners. !!

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