by Tim207 48 Replies latest watchtower bible
Bad mouthing from a disgruntled former follower of men like you is a badge of honour - Joan75
I had intellectual honesty and moral courage to give up all my former beliefs, and endure isolation from family and friends in order to claim my right to think for myself.
You on the other hand are still a slave to dehumanising religious dogma of the very worst kind.
Cofty,
I know JWism. I agree it has little to do with thinking for yourself. But the really sad thing is that many ex JWs think they belonged to some crack unit of true religion when in fact all they had was a very poor substitute for the real thing.
Joan - I was an evangelical, born-again, bible-believing, son of god, saved, adopted christian for a decade after I left the cult. I dived deeply into theology and christian apologetics. When our church lost its pastor I preached regularly. I preached Christ and him crucified. I know what it is I am criticising.
I probably understand your beliefs better than you do. I know exactly why your brand of christianity is beneath the contempt of every human being with an ounce of moral sense.
To be honest, I am not sure what Joen was saying. I was responding to the thread question - does prophesy negate free will?
I went back and read some of the previous comments too. You said this too:
Every effort by theologians to combine foreknowledge and free will amounts to nothing but sophistry and hand waving.
Why? What is being claimed is that the argument:
And that is a logic error. You can conclude, “Therefore Q”, but you can’t conclude “necessarily Q”. In other words, if God knows ABC will occur, it follows that ABC will occur, but not that it must necessarily occur. ABC may not occur, but then God would have known differently.
Trying to reword - the causation is reversed. There is free will, the knowledge of the choice is there before the choice, but that doesn’t mean the choice was forced. The choice will happen, but if it were a different choice, the pre-knowledge would have been different.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/foreknow/
Forgot to add this source:
MMM - You are missing the point.
The god of xtian theism knows every single thing I will ever say, think or do in minute detail.
Therefore the book of my life from conception to death is already written in stone (the god of the WT chooses not to read the book - an irrelevant detail)
Therefore I have no freedom to choose otherwise.
Did not "paul" write " we are actors on display, on a stage"? following a script?
cult members are just marionettes, if leaders had their way.
From a JW perspective, there is another branch from the “Then why is there Evil?” box, i.e.
I dare say other branches from this box could be dreamed up, but so far they all lead to a God that is either limited and imperfect, or simply doesn’t exist. Oh, there is a third option of course, that he’s an evil pile of shit who deserves nothing but utter contempt.
Sorry guys, I posted the above to the wrong thread, please ignore it.
Prophecy!!! lol lol lol lol lol
I prophecy that the sun will rise up tomorrow in the east---unless it doesn't! See how easy it is to be a prophet?
just saying!
Joenb75
So who is to blame ?
A child born and then is abused was that predestined for that child?
The person who abused that child were they predestined to abuse that child?
or is your god for the predestination of this situation?
Just asking a question
