by ignored_one 217 Replies latest social current
Abaddon said:
despite the fact that this guy’s actions were despicable, I can’t approve of his death by execution. If killing is wrong, killing is wrong; the minute you move away from this simple logic you get into areas where you have to make moral compromisesI thought that it was well worth repeating.
Englishman.
E-man-
I disagree with his assertions. Even if you are against C.P. and abortion, all killing is not STILL not wrong. What about self defense and wartime deaths, etc? If you claim that all killing is wrong, then you should stick by this claim in ALL instances, otherwise those words need to be amended.
Is having unique human DNA the criterion that decides whether something (should read SOMEONE) has human rights?
Ummm...that's a pretty darn good starting spot...otherwise...who knows...maybe the sick and elderly don't have human rights. If this isn't the starting point...then there is no clear starting point, and all are in jeopardy.
Stinky and E
I'm actually caught between the two of you on this...all killing is not "wrong" war...self defense..etc...however murder is always wrong.
Also Stinky,
Since it seems impossible to reason with you (on various matters). . .I give you this ----->if by "reason" you mean I accept your ascertations out of hand...then no, you can't reason with me.
Yeru-
if by "reason" you mean I accept your ascertations out of hand...then no, you can't reason with me.
No that's not what I mean. I mean that we both should be able to discuss a topic without insulting the other. You obviously want to be in on the discussion but you seem to have no problem with using offensive terminology, being overly general, and reciting opinions as "facts" with no documentation. So you seem to contradict yourself. You want to discuss these issues and alienate your challenger at the same time. Doesn't make sense to me.
however murder is always wrong
Some people consider it murder when civilians (babies, children) are killed during wartime. . or are those deaths merely a necessary evil?
Documented facts you want...I'll get them for ya.
offensive terminology? I find the whole idea of a human life being called a choice offenseive...so if I say baby murder...so what...overly general? hmmmm that seems to be an issue for this entire board.
Again, alot of what I go on is anecdotal...by talking with people who have had or have considered abortion...I've still not met one who had an abortion for medical reasons...is there another reason then...other than birth control and medical?
"Documented facts you want...I'll get them for ya.
offensive terminology? I find the whole idea of a human life being called a choice offenseive...so if I say baby murder...so what...overly general? hmmmm that seems to be an issue for this entire board.
Again, alot of what I go on is anecdotal...by talking with people who have had or have considered abortion...I've still not met one who had an abortion for medical reasons...is there another reason then...other than birth control and medical?"
I find pictures of dead mutilated babies on posters offensive, especially when I was taking my step son to go see a walt-disney movie, a friend took my kid back to the car, and I confronted the bastards with the signs. You see there was a planned parenthood above the theater, which I didn't realize at the time, and I pointed out to some old nutcase, that planned parenthood was closed on sunday, and "why the fuck were you showing dead babies, in front of a theater that is showing kids movies?". You anti-abortionist make me sick, you are the same people that get up in arms about naked bodies in movies, yet you show mutilated babies, I'm sorry but I'd rather my kid see a naked body then a dead mutilated baby, I find that more offensive then someones naked body.
Yeru-
a human life being called a choice offenseive...so if I say baby murder...so what
Except during war. In cases like that a baby's "murder" (whether accidental or deliberate) is justifiable?
Since some folks takes offense with the word, "baby murderers" pretty much tells me someone has a guilty conscience and doesn't wanna think about or even acknowledge that the child is a baby when it's being butchered.
Here's some other offensive words as well...
Abortion Clinic = Butcher Mill
Doctors = Baby Killers
Nurses = Accessory Killers
Yes, the pro butchers wants the right to kill their babies because they're considered incovenient (whenever it is considered incovenient).
Heck, even mothers are dumping their babies in trash dumpsters AFTER they are born. Remember the prom date baby murder?
Even here in Indianapolis, some dump truck drivers are finding dead babies in trash bins and trash cans.
The woman who was Jane Roe, whose real name is Norma McCorvey, filed in the supreme court to have her case overturned and reversed after what she did in 1973. She became a born again Christian after suffering years of depression, abusing drugs and alcohol and worked in the butcher mills for years.
One day she woke up sober in the playground and saw no children on the playground, she screamed when she came to a realization, "OH MY GOD! I KILLED THEM ALL AND THERE IS NONE LEFT!"
Anyway, she became saved because a family rented out an office next door to the butcher mill and their little girl would often visit Norma whenever she is outside smoking a cig during her break times. She would talk to Norma, play with her, sat down and read children's books with her. Norma also often yelled and screamed (and cussed at whenever the little girl isn't around) at her parents telling them a woman has a right to her body, blah, blah, blah.
Later the little girl asked Norma if she would like to come to church with her. At first, she was reluctant, but after some encouranging and begging from the little girl, she went.
Guess what? She got saved! w00 h00!
A few years later, she decided she needed to clean her conscience by doing the right thing, she filed to have her case reversed.
The supreme court turned her down (the bastards!)
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20030620_1012.html
Meanwhile, the baby killing continues....
Yiz
Yiz-
You are demonstrating your ignorance and short-sightedness with this comment:
the pro butchers wants the right to kill their babies because they're considered incovenient
Earlier I gave my reason for being Pro-Choice and yet I DO NOT agree with women that have abortions for the reason that you gave.
I said:
I am not pro-abortion. I could not see myself ever having one. I do think that other people should have the choice to have one though, for safety concerns. When abortions were not legal, many women (young girls, rape victims, incest victims) in extremely desperate situations went to shady, unsanitary doctors and many died. I do not like the idea of a woman having an abortion because having a child is an inconvenience. So you saying that not being pro-life means I am pro-abortion is not accurate. I do not advocate abortion, but I do see the good behind it being legal. Everything is not as black and white as you'd like to make it. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/58035/860347/post.ashx#860347
I also take great offense at you equating nurses with accessory killers. There are plenty of nurses on this board and I think they would be appalled at your logic.
OK, now, I've pretty much kept out of the line of fire on this heated topic, but
Heck, even mothers are dumping their babies in trash dumpsters AFTER they are born. Remember the prom date baby murder
??? do you think that if abortion is outlawed, incidents like that will stop happening? don't you think that incidents of infant abandonment will in fact increase if abortion is no longer an option?
~~tink (of the ducking and running class)
