US anti-abortionist faces execution (page 11)

Yizuman

Yiz-
You are demonstrating your ignorance and short-sightedness.
the pro butchers wants the right to kill their babies because they're considered incovenient
Earlier I gave my reason for being Pro-Choice and yet I DO NOT agree with women that have abortions for the reason that you gave.
I said:
I am not pro-abortion. I could not see myself ever having one. I do think that other people should have the choice to have one though, for safety concerns. When abortions were not legal, many women (young girls, rape victims, incest victims) in extremely desperate situations went to shady, unsanitary doctors and many died. I do not like the idea of a woman having an abortion because having a child is an inconvenience. So you saying that not being pro-life means I am pro-abortion is not accurate. I do not advocate abortion, but I do see the good behind it being legal. Everything is not as black and white as you'd like to make it. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/58035/860347/post.ashx#860347

How can one not consider herself (or himself for that matter) not to be a pro-butcher and yet believes a woman has the right to a so called "choice" (when babies doen't have a choice because the adults knows that babies CAN'T defend themselves, the bullies!) to murder their babies? Either you are one or you aren't one, there's no middle ground to this issue. Yiz

tinkerbell82

Either you are one or you aren't one, there's no middle ground to this issue

actually, i have to disagree with you here. i believe i'm in the same camp as stinky. while i personally would not have an abortion, i don't have any problem with other women making the decision to have one. i fail to see how this is an extraordinary leap of logic. it makes perfect sense to me.

drwtsn32

Either you are one or you aren't one, there's no middle ground to this issue.

Hmmm... it must be nice being able to have such a black/white viewpoint on everything. My wife and I are pro-choice but also do not believe abortions should be done indiscriminately. We believe there are circumstances where an abortion may be the best option.

tinkerbell82

god dr, i can't believe you said that. you baby butcherer you. ;)

drwtsn32

god dr, i can't believe you said that. you baby butcherer you. ;)

Yeah, well, I figure I'm going to hell anyway... Aztec made me think a lot about moral absolutes... and how there probably are none (or very few, at most). But I felt this way about abortion ever since leaving the org and being able to think about these things on my own.

StinkyPantz

Yiz-

Either you are one or you aren't one, there's no middle ground to this issue.

You have got to be kidding me. . <wonders if I should bother continuing> So you are saying that an abortion is NEVER an option (no middle ground). So, if a baby's birth will cause the death of the mother, that is not a viable reason? If an 10 year old is raped and impregnated and bringing a child to term would cause physical damage or death to the 10 year then an abortion shouldn't be an option? Apparently not since you think there is no middles ground.

Yizuman

??? do you think that if abortion is outlawed, incidents like that will stop happening? don't you think that incidents of infant abandonment will in fact increase if abortion is no longer an option?

Abortion was far few and between long before Roe v Wade came to pass. (By the way, New York was the first to have an so called legalized butchering in the 1960s before the rest of states became legal, New York was the model state then) Most of it was a result of a coat hanger abortion and other methods as well. You and I know know coat hangers often results internal injuries and bleed to death trying to kill a baby.

But that still doesn't mean that the butcher providers's methods of killing is safe either. Many women bleed to death due to botched killings in the mills because the so called doctors screwed up. No method is safe and some women end up barren because the procedures left them unable to bear children when they later wanted to be pregnant.

Bottom line is, there's no such thing as a safe abortion.

Imagine a child asking you, "Mommy, what's a safe abortion?"

Now after 1973 and 40+ million babies dead later, what say you about the covenience of butching babies now compared to the pre-Roe case?

~~tink (of the ducking and running class)

Aw hun, I'd knee knock and faint on the floor if you came to my door! *blush!*

Yiz

tinkerbell82

. You and I know know coat hangers often results internal injuries and bleed to death trying to kill a baby

which is one very good reason that abortion should be a legal option.

Abortion was far few and between long before Roe v Wade came to pass

how do you figure? illegal abortion clinics were not likely to broadcast how many abortions they were performing per year....moreover, many women were lucky enough (relatively speaking, of course) to have the means to have their procedures performed in other countries where such practices were legal . additionally, some women were so desparate that they felt compelled to take matters into their own hands. would you really want to see a return to these conditions?

what say you about the covenience of butching babies now compared to the pre-Roe case?

i'm not sure what you mean, but i'm certainly not convinced that my stance wrong, if that's what youre asking.

Yizuman

actually, i have to disagree with you here. i believe i'm in the same camp as stinky. while i personally would not have an abortion, i don't have any problem with other women making the decision to have one. i fail to see how this is an extraordinary leap of logic. it makes perfect sense to me.

Hun, I really hate debating a beauty like you! (smilies are acting whacked, so I can't use'em but here's a close one) *blush!*

But I fail to see the logic of it, you just can't be a non-pro butcher while at the same time believe others have the right to choose at killing their babies whenever and however they see fit. It just doesn't work that way.

You are either a believer in child killing or you aren't. If you don't believe in killing your own children, but believe others should have the right to kill their own, what does that make you? A pro butcher is a pro butcher is a pro butcher, there isn't any other grounds to it.

You are either pro-life or pro-death. There just can't be a middle ground to it. I just can't see it.

Sorry I had to debate you hun *blushes again!*

Yiz

tinkerbell82

you just can't be a non-pro butcher while at the same time believe others have the right to choose at killing their babies whenever and however they see fit. It just doesn't work that way.

i would never, ever call myself a "pro-butcher". and as it happens, it does work that way. look, my reasons for not wanting to have an abortion are completely personal and based upon my own life experience. is it fair of me to expect other women to make their choices based upon my life? hardly. i do not think it wise to foist my opinions on others and say "you must believe this" in any matter. that's why i'm pro-CHOICE. and i have no inner conflicts about that stance whatsoever.

Sorry I had to debate you hun

hey, that's what this forum is for. if we could do it without the acerbic name-calling, though, i'd very much appreciate it

US anti-abortionist faces execution

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