by piledriver 120 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Firstly it's Cofty not coffey. (well done on correcting that)
I have no idea what the rest of your post meant but I think you were saying that it's ok for christians to assert something that is absolutely crucial to their religion even if they can't begin to explain what they are on about.
If that's what you mean then you're wrong. It's not ok. It's even more ridiculous than the Watchtower's overlapping generation.
Yes Cofty that is my point. I also clarified why I felt that.
The Rebel.
The FACT is it is ASSUMPTIVE, to assume all questions can be answered in words.Language is just something invented by people to communicate. But it is a FACT that it has its limitations.
The Rebel
Rebel - The doctrine of the trinity evolved over centuries of debate among the most senior theologians in christendom.
It hinged on words like substance and essence, ousia, homoousios, hypostasis.
Without use of words no concept of trinity would exist.
So I am asking a totally reasonable question.
Imagine you are talking to somebody who knows nothing at all about christianity. They have heard that Jesus is god and also that Jesus has a god and father. Further they have heard christians talk of the holy spirit in personal terms. Please explain this apparent contradiction succinctly and avoid specialist theological terms.
Cofty: Nope, not a polytheist. Whether the Trinity, in any of it's various forms, accurately describes the unity of God, I do not know. The fact is that according to the New Testament, Jesus Christ is "Ho Theos", our Creator, and worthy of worship.
You worship Jesus
You worship the god and father of Jesus
You are a polytheist
Because I believe in the unity of God, but cannot define it, I am a polytheist
No quite the opposite.
You worship Jesus
You also worship the "god and father of Jesus"
Please explain in very simple language - avoiding obscure theological terms - how you can reasonably avoid the charge of polytheism.
Thank you for your reply Cofty.
Cofty "The doctrine of the trinity evolved over centuries of debate amoung the most senior theologians in Christendom"
The Rebel (A) Agreeed.
Cofty " Without the use of words no concept of the trinity would exist"
The Rebel (A) Langage has its limitations. In the trinity brochure the organisations part quotes the Catholic Church " The trinity is beyond comprehension and understanding" the complete quote, from memory is "but this does not mean it can not be apprehended by the human mind"
Cofty " So I am asking a totally reasonable question".
The Rebel (A) Agreeed. But I also believe i gave a totally reasonable answer.
As to your illustration I could not give an answer to that question as I am an athiest. However I do believe that I am. I also believe that " I am" is all that I can know with 100% assurance. I also accept a Christian has a belief in God, and I accept this can not be proven in words. Neither can it be proven what a spirit is in words. In fact the only answer they can give is " I know". And who am I to say they don't?
The Rebel.
