what is the ontlogical trinity (page 6)

Pubsinger

This is bizarre.

Cofty, can you not grasp the concept of a being, apparently the ultimate, eternal, all powerful being who could exist in a state that is completely different from humans and not governed by the same rules?

cofty

TTWSYF - Nothing at all that you wrote even began to address my question.

What exactly is a "compound god"?

What does it mean that "his words are alive"? How does that explain how christians can worship Jesus and also worship "the god and father of Jesus" but not be polytheists?

InChristAlone - I have read a more mixed and unhelpful metaphor ever. "Your words can only say what you want them to say" What does that mean? Words don't say things. They are just noises that we have agreed have a particular meaning. What does that have to do with your worshipping Jesus and worshipping Jesus' god at the same time?

it is okay to not fully comprehend something and yet still have faith that it is true

That is a cop-out. You can't even begin to explain it let alone fully comprehend it.

Christians added a new god in the person of Jesus. They wanted to avoid being labelled polytheists so they pretend that in some sort of mysterious way it isn't polytheism after all because of reasons nobody could ever hope to understand.

can you not grasp the concept of a being, apparently the ultimate, eternal, all powerful being who could exist in a state that is completely different from humans and not governed by the same rules?

Yes but that has nothing to do with my question.

cofty

Imagine you are talking to somebody who knows nothing at all about christianity.

They have heard that Jesus is god and also that Jesus has a god and father. Further they have heard christians talk of the holy spirit in personal terms.

Please explain this apparent contradiction succinctly and avoid specialist theological terms.

Suggest a simple illustration that will help this person understand your belief.

OneGenTwoGroups

You see Cofty, god is like an egg, I mean he is like water ... aaaah forget it.

TTWSYF

Hi Cofty, I don't know if I can explain any more clearly as I am not a theologian or apologist, but you know what a compound word is? Firetruck, firehouse, etc? Put two words together to make a different word.

In Hebrew, like many other languages, there are not the exact words that can be translated with a similar english word. We [who speak english] have one word for one....it is one.

Hebrew has two words for one. One word is the singular one just like we speak in english,

The other is a compound one which indicates the combining of elements to make a one. A synergistic one. A combination one.

I think you understand....

just saying...that The Truth Will Set You Free

Pubsinger

Yes it does have something to do with your question.

The trinity is a concept. An attempt to explain the nature of God as revealed through the whole of scripture and to reconcile seemingly contradictory statements like 'there is one God' with other statements which Vander referred to such as Jesus being Ho Theos.

I will have a go at your challenge this evening.

However 'disallowing gobbledygook terms' is a bit unfair as the process is challenging and requires a bit of intelligence!

cofty

I think you understand....

No I don't.

You worship Jesus

You worship the god and father ot Jesus

You are polytheistic.

Waffling about firetrucks doesn't get you out of that.

I am not asking for a lesson in Hebrew. I am asking for a simple explanation.

cofty

However 'disallowing gobbledygook terms' is a bit unfair as the process is challenging and requires a bit of intelligence!

No it isn't.

The understanding that both god and Jesus are to be worshipped but you must only have one god is crucial to your religion.

It should be easy to explain it simply and without contradicting yourself.

If you can't, then perhaps it proves you are simply contradicting yourself and using a lot of bluster to hide the fact.

TTWSYF

Waffling about firetrucks doesn't get you out of that.

I am not asking for a lesson in Hebrew. I am asking for a simple explanation.

lol hahaha. Love it! Honestly, I'd like a simple explanation too. I can't wrap my head around a God that has no beginning or end. As a human, I just don't get it. Does that mean that it isn't true that God has no beginning because I can't grasp the concept? Isn't a being without a beginning a mystery?

Pubsinger

I'm trusting Cofty that you are aware that the trinity doctrine doesn't teach that the Father and the Son are the same person? And you are familiar with gobbledygook terms like modalism and Sabellianism?

And that your assumption that explaining the nature of God should be simple and couldn't be a mystery is contradictory in itself? Attempting to grasp fully the nature of an eternal being that by definition cannot fully be grasped by a finite mind is going to be challenging and to a degree conceptual.

Hope there weren't too many big words there for you.

Will have to reply later as I am at work.

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