Is this for real

by Shanna 86 Replies latest jw friends

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    Welcome dear: News-flash most of the witnesses I worked for swore at home and taught me a few choice words I had never heard before. And watch how the men eyeball the sisters at the hall.

    Before you commit, find out what would happen if, after you join, you want out. Not just the party line, but from people who have gone that way. You are an adult, and as such, you should make an informed decision. Once your in, they will not cut you any slack. They will use this reasoning against you.

    Maybe God wanted you to check this site out for a reason? Maverick

  • Badger
    Badger

    Shanna:

    I'm a witness now, and come here to vent about a lot of the problems I see in the organization.

    Before you join up, read some of the news about Vicki Boer and the UN-NGO scandal. Ask yourself if their doctrines, which do sound good, can reconcile their callousness.

    Then try to bring up these topics when talking to a witness...see what they say and how the regard you afterward.

    If you do join, by all means keep a circle of friends on the outside. You'll need them again soon.

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Actually everyone in chat was very nice as usual. Shanna I hope you do come back and read this. Here is some of the info I promised:

    I found this list at http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm Bolded comments are mine.

    The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment. That would be the FDS.

    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. Can you say proselytize? Every Saturday..and all the encouragement to pioneer.

    The group is preoccupied with making money. Constantly being encouraged to donate more money for the World Wide Preaching work.

    Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. This one is a biggie and I think the reason most responsible for them being labelled a cult. Don't believe me..just start questioning things.

    Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s). Does going out in field service count?

    The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth). Oh yeah!!!

    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity). Only Jehovah's Witnesses will survive Armageddon and they have to get out the good news...

    The group has a polarized us- versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society. You are strongly encouraged not to associate more than necessary with non Witnesses. I wasn't allowed to spend time with my "worldly" friends outside of school. See they even have a name for non Witnesses.."Worldly"

    The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations). The Witnesses strongly discourage taking a "Brother" into court for any reason.

    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities). I actually don't think they are guilty of this one.

    The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them. They do!!! Trust me!

    Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group. Ever hear of shunning? You will be strongly encouraged to spend as little time possible with non jw's, even if they're family.

    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group. Five meetings a week plus weekly field service, family study, personal study of each week's Watchtower.

    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members Trust me on this one!

    I hope you take the kind advice of the people here who have lived through the Witnesses and know what they are talking about. I'm not anti JW because I have family who I love very much that are still active but, I dislike the Watchtower Organisation and what it does to people and their families. Before you make that big leap please do a little research. The Witnesses aren't all bad. Some people have joined and really straightened out their lives and enjoy being a Witness. Unfortunatly most aren't that lucky. Just make an informed decision.

    ~Aztec

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    Welcome Shanna!

    The people on this board, it is very diverse, so do not get scared off, please accept peoples differences!

    Please do as much research as you can before you commit to anything...I was born into the religion so I was not so lucky. When I decided to myself that I did not beleive in the religion, that it did not make sense to me, I was shunned. All the friends and family that I knew...I was told I was dead to them. I needed cousuling, I was suicidal after that, so depressed...I still am. Once you get to the point of making a dedication to the organization...going back is very VERY difficult...so be sure what you really want!

  • franklin J
    franklin J

    Welcome, Shana

    As you can see from previous posts, this website is mostly for people who were, but are not any longer, JWs. It is a support group, and it is very supportive.

    You must do what is right for you. If you believe that what you are learning from JWs is satisfying, nurturing and ehancing your life,by all means proceed.

    We on the other hand have lived through some unfortunate experiences with JWs, and our stories are spilled out over these posts.

    good luck to you

    Frank

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Aztec

    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities). I actually don't think they are guilty of this one.

    Actually this one does apply. JWs are encouraged to go into court and swear on a NWT to tell the truth but they are also taught that Theocratic Warfare will allow them to lie to those who they deem not worth knowing the truth.

    Most people would consider lying in a court of law after giving an oath to tell the truth as unethical

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Sally, I did not see you in chat. So your "wolves" comment is speculative only. Shanna, it was nice meeting you in chat, and I do hope my welcome was received with the warmth that was intended.

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Holy crap! Than they are a cult all around. I want my parents out of that cult! Grrrrrr!!!!

    ~Aztec

  • luna
    luna

    Wow, Azzie!

    That's a great "quiz".....

    Scary how many people are still in and just won't see it for what it is.

  • ESTEE
    ESTEE

    Shanna

    Stick around and get an real education!

    ESTEE

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