Who told the first lie? (page 11)

Jeffro

MeanMrMustard:

that I definitely did not make up

Seemed legit. 🤣

Halcon

Jeffro -Yes, God told the lie.

This snake is good...

Jeffro, in responce to begging the question. I am not begging any question. The way I see it, you either believe the Bible or you don't...The Bible says God cannot lie and calls Satan the father of the lie. It is either true or it isn't . If the Bible IS true, then the Gen account is true, so why read into it what it doesn't really say. For those who don't believe the Bible, anything goes. BUT, perchance it is TRUE, even if one doesn't think so, then trying to prove God a liar is fruitless. The Bible also says something like,let God be found true, though every man a liar.

Halcon

Seemed legit. 🤣

Lol

Jeffro

enoughisenough:

The way I see it, you either believe the Bible or you don't.

Fallacy of composition, black and white thinking. ‘The Bible’ is a collection of various forms of literature. Much of it is entirely unhistorical while other parts contain historical details intermixed with superstition and political bias. There is, of course, no reason to believe that stories in Genesis are true, especially when they’re obviously allegory.

The Bible also says something like,let God be found true, though every man a liar.

Well, if the Bible says it. 🤦‍♂️

MeanMrMustard

The way I see it, you either believe the Bible or you don't.

Right. But let me direct your attention to 1 Thesadonians 3:1,2:

1. The next verse is true.

2. The previous verse is false.

What now? The internal contradictions we are discussing in this thread set up a situation like the above two verses. That's the power of pointing out internal contradictions - nothing external is needed.

Halcon

Mustard- A man that has no knowledge of good and evil can't be given a reason "why" he should refrain, other than a direct threat to his own physical experience, just a general consequence in a cause/effect relationship.

Yes, I would agree this sums up what transpired between Adam and God.

He could understand facts told to him. And logic. But since he didn't understand good from evil, right from wrong, navigating a world of free will would be like navigating a world of color when all you can see is gray.

All the more reason for him to have simply kept doing what he'd been doing all along until then. God couldn't have made it easier, even for someone that didn't know good from evil.

Phizzy

This Thread has reminded me of the time a JW dad was trying to instil in his son the need to always tell the truth, so dad asked his son "Who told the first Lie ?", and his little son promptly replied "Rosie", referring to his little friend who had lied an hour or so before.

Dad gave up with the Lesson for the time being, he was laughing too much !

Jeffro

Phizzy:

This Thread has reminded me of the time a JW dad was trying to instil in his son the need to always tell the truth, so dad asked his son "Who told the first Lie ?", and his little son promptly replied "Rosie", referring to his little friend who had lied an hour or so before.

But now your comment has reminded me of that awful ‘Become Jehovah’s Friend’ pilot episode where the mother asks Caleb, “Is this toy magical?”… (No, of course it’s not magical. It’s a piece of plastic.) “Who likes magic? Jehovah? 🥴 Or Sa’an?” 🐍

Thanks for that. 🤣

Jeffro

sloppyjoe2:

Do you have any article links where they talk about it?

The Watchtower, 1 April 1984, page 31:

We do know that mortal humans—even perfect humans having the prospect of endless life on earth—must eat and drink to maintain life, or they die and their bodies experience corruption.

Who told the first lie?

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