Shunning: The Watchtower's Self-Inflicted Wound

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  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    It has often been commented on the forum that Watchtower is afraid to abandon their shunning policy because they know that without the threat of shunning many JWs would up and leave the organisation overnight.

    No doubt some would leave, but I think we tend to overestimate the number who would leave if shunning was discontinued. I just don't get the impression that congregations are full of people who are itching to leave but who only remain out of fear. Admittedly it is difficult to be at all certain about this, because JWs are not at liberty to discuss their feelings openly on the issue. But people in that position do tend to leave sooner or later, which leads me to to suspect that most JWs who remain sitting in the KH do mostly believe in the religion. Plus my own interactions with JWs, who I had guessed were marginal, but discovered were not, has caused me to reconsider the idea that there are huge numbers of active JWs who wish to leave the religion, but who are afraid to do so. In short I have come to believe that the overwhelming majority of JWs believe the religion and are JWs because they want to be JWs.

    However because most of us on the forum have experienced sitting in a KH while not believing it, and wondering about the consequences of speaking our mind, we may tend to project these feelings onto others. No doubt there is always a minority in the KH who are in this position, and are usually in some sort of transition. But I think the majority sitting in the KH do believe it and they would stay in the JWs even without the threat of shunning,

    If that's a correct assessment then it raises the question: what would be the effect on organisational growth of abandoning the shunning policy? I want to suggest that it would in fact promote JW growth if they discontinued shunning. I make this argument largely on the basis a new book I read called, Families and Faith: How Faith is Passed Down Across Generations by Vern Bengston. Basically the book explores the crucial role the family plays in the preservation of religious communities.

    Factors in the family setting that inhibit the successful transmission of religion from one generation to the next include: interfaith marriages, lack of parental warmth, parents forcing their religion on their children, extended family influencing children to explore alternative beliefs, hypocrisy or disjuncture between parental beliefs and actions.

    This study strongly suggests that parents who try to force or coerce their children to follow their religion are least successful. Conservative attitudes and religion in themselves can be successfully transmitted as long as they are accompanied by parental warmth and acceptance. I will quote one key passage:

    The warm, affirming relationship pattern was most likely to result in successful transmission of religion. Children responded best to parents who were unconditionally supportive, who provided consistent role-modelling of religious practices, and who did not force their beliefs or practices on their children. For example, in the Wilson family we saw that a consistently close relationship with parents created continuity in Evangelical faith - across four generations. In addition, we found that the most successful parents in religious transmission showed love, respect and patience for those children who took a different path in religion; these often turned out to be "Prodigals" and returned. By contrast, the other three parenting styles (such as cold or distant, ambivalent, or mixed-message) appeared to decrease the likelihood of religious transmission and increase the likelihood of rebellion. The stern judgementalism of Brandon Young's father, for instance, was a decided turnoff for Brandon and a key factor in his decision to leave the Mormon faith. Parental piety does not, it seems, make up for a distant though devout dad.

    My own experience and observation of JWs tell me that is absolutely correct. The shunning policy alienates far more JW children than it succeeds in keeping through fear. Whereas the grown up children of other faiths look back fondly to a welcoming community, and often return, for JWs there is the barrier of judgementalism and shunning to overcome. No wonder JWs are so poor at retaining or welcoming back JW children into the community.

    So, far from holding the JW community together, or promoting growth, the shunning policy of JWs is the single biggest factor in their stagnation and decline. It is a self-inflicted wound.

    The GB seem to think that by promoting early baptism and shunning of straying youth they will force young ones to obey and adhere to the faith. The evidence indicates the opposite.

    The single best thing the GB could do to retain members and promote growth is to discontinue shunning, display love, acceptance and patience, while welcoming back "Prodigals" who have left the faith.

  • Sliced
    Sliced

    A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men... lol

    Seriously though--- shunning is reverse psychology at its greatest demonstration.

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    I agree that most JWs still do believe in it, at least on some level. I think the Watchtower doesn't fear a sudden and large defection if they abandon the shunning policy, what they fear is open communication of members with their family who have already left and know the truth about the truth. They have kept their members so much in the dark, like any cult they are afraid of being exposed.

  • sir82
    sir82

    It has often been commented on the forum that Watchtower is afraid to abandon their shunning policy because they know that without the threat of shunning many JWs would up and leave the organisation overnight.

    I think that is only partially the issue.

    As you indicated, only a small number would leave right away, at first.

    But what happens as the weeks and months move on, and JWs have more and more (unpunished) contact with former members? All those ex-JW fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, cousins, brothers, sisters, friends.....

    And, those ex-JWs start bringing up irrefutable points critical of JW doctrine and policy?

    If this forum has demonstrated anything over the 15+ years of its existence, it's that there are simply no reasonable or believable arguments in favor of JW doctrines and policies.

    Doctrine: The entire earth was underwater for a full year just 4400 years ago....the millions of species of animal life alive now somehow "adapted" from 70 or so "kinds" of animals over the past 4400 years....Virtually every word in the book of Revelation is symbolic, except for the number "144,000" which is stone-cold literal...."holy spirit" is involved in appointment of elders (instead of backroom cronyism and political wrangling)....

    Policy: 2 witness rule is the only legitimate way to determine if a "sin" has been committed.....somehow "blood fractions" are fundamentally different than "blood components"....submission and obedience to elders & GB are valued infinitely more than truth, love, intelligence, and morality....

    How long would even the most astute JW be able to defend those positions if they were to be confronted by even moderately aware ex-JWs (again, without fear of repercussion)? Any JW intelligent enough to put together any sort of semi-coherent defense, would be too intelligent to keep on believing that stuff when exposed to reasonable counterarguments.

    Yes, it would be trickle at first. But within 3-5 years, the number of JWs would be cut in half, and the only ones left would be the window washers and janitors, too dumb to have qualified for any "appointed positions" in the recent past and too poor to contribute more than a dollar or 2 per month.

    Ending DFing would spell the end of the WT - not right away, but within a decade.

    The WTS knows this. They are idiots, but they are Trump-style idiots - even in their idiocy they understand what must be done to preserve their own position.

  • Londo111
    Londo111
    I remember hearing from the platform that if the mandatory preaching work were dropped, people would flock to the Kingdom Hall. Whether true or not, they've maintained a very high bar for members that the average person could not stand for.
  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Or Watchtower would be forced to abandon its more extreme doctrines and focus on core teachings, which I would consider to be:

    preaching the good news

    refusal to fight in wars

    the importance of the divine name

    focus on family and JW community

    belief that God has a purpose for mankind and the earth

    rejection of eternal torment or souls in limbo

    These are what I consider core JW teachings. A lot of the rest is unhelpful and must go.

    In particular they need to abandon creationism, over literal view of scripture, restricting role of women, higher education, gay people, blood and so on. All necessary reforms.

    Then it would be possible, I believe, to make a reasonable, or in fact a good defence of the religion.

  • sir82
    sir82

    Or Watchtower would be forced to abandon its more extreme doctrines and focus on core teachings

    To do so would take personal integrity, humility, intelligence, creativity, and insight on the part of its leaders.

    How much of that have you seen by anybody, let alone the GB, in the monthly broadcasts?

    You don't rise to the top in this organization by displaying such qualities.

    I guess it is possible in a theoretical sort of way, like imagining the sun rising in the west or no political statements at the Oscars.

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    Londo 111, our loon of a PO used to spout out that nonsense, he claimed from the platform that if the blood ban was dropped there would be millions more jw's

  • galaxie
    galaxie

    "Abandon creationism" and it follows most of their core values have no justifiable meaning, ie they would be pointless. Focusing on family values is not exclusive to jws if that's all they are left with they may as well pack up and go ..the sooner the better !!

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Refusal to fight in wars, preaching, paradise earth, and the divine name, taken together, is a pretty distinctive message for JWs. These are the core teachings. Plus greater emphasis on family, kindness, love, loyalty, community, sharing and so on. They don't need wacky 1914, creationism, anti-gay, generation teaching and so on.

    Creationism is obviously wrong, and religion can easily survive without it. Even Russell said Jehovah may have used evolution (for the animals at least) over a century ago. I thinks it's doable. In fact in the long run I think these sorts of reforms are inevitable.

    If JWs are still around in 2100 do you really think they'll still be teaching creationism and anti-gay? I can't see it somehow. It's adapt or die.

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