by logansrun 83 Replies latest watchtower bible
Taking czar's thought of religion as an enabler, combining it w it's previously stated controling/organising power, i'm wondering if religion serves mankind as a sort of paradigm, or to stretch it a bit more, a script that guides it to act out various scenarios, as on a theatrical stage. Wouldn't that be a fart farce in the face of the omniscient, omnipotent god dogma? It would however, work in a situation where 'god' is evolving, and we enable that evolution.
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Take away their Jesus, Jehovah, or Allah, and what then? What then?
Well then we would have just what you sound like you are!!!! LOST!!!
I cant get rid of MY JESUS why???? Because he teaches the one thing we all need to learn more of is LOVE
No I dont mean the kind that make your heart pitter pattar. But the kind that makes us really try to understand each other..We are in really bad shape in the world... But since I myself have left the WT ( Oh excuse me I didnt leave they kicked me out -cos I couldnt except that Jesus came invisably in 1914) I have read scripture not with a man or a book guidance -but trying to prove it wrong!!! But while doing so I found He =Jesus, had the answer to why I had no peace!!!!! Know What?????? I now have that peace- Not the way we thought ( no wars, arguments etc: ) but an inner peace to know no matter what MY FELLOW man( which includes you dear friend) wants me to believe -I can respect him, But I am allowed to have FREEDOM to EXAMINE & Think for my self..... So Please take him from your life -if you dont want to feel WHOLE internally- But I think I will cling to him if you dont mind.... ( Ducking as usual from the rocks that will be thrown - but I have a THICK HEAD.... So pitch away my lovelies......
I don't have a problem with the title of this thread, anymore than I have a problem with white supremcists gabbing on about their agenda. Honestly I don't pop in threads like this very much.
I've reached a stage in my life, where I have made choices. One of those choices is a belief system that includes a power greater than myself. I also choose to express my belief in that power through Christianity. I am secure enough that I am not bothered by someone's else's anger or questions regarding that belief system.
Am I absolutely right? I don't know. And I submit, neither does the person who espouses evolution, science and all that, that implies. Everything that we understand as reality in this life is choice. Whether we choose to believe in a God who created all things, or in an expanding evolution, or even the Booger Man, it is still a choice.
I submit that choice says more about us, and our life, than any other choices we make in this life. What happens after this life we will discover, as have the other 20 billion souls who have lived on this planet. Until then I say, go in peace, do no harm and live this life ... well.
I've found that whenever someone asks "what else do people have for hope etc.?" that it's the old double negative so this last bit is the answer. What did people have for hope before patriarchal religion? They had one another, food, the sun and moon. But while we romanticize the natural world we certainly don't have to romanticize the Bible (which was afterall written by men). The more papyrus' discovery's being made in the deserts of the middle east, the more we understand the human origins of the Bible. And there's nothing wrong with that either if you don't claim it's the only way to believe. If nothing else surely having been a JW has told us that there are as many belief systems as there are people.
If we stop thinking about going to heaven maybe we'll focus on what's happening around us. Maybe if we believe this is our only chance to do our best, then we'd find more folks doing their best. Maybe if we didn't support ancient despotism's we'd support equal rights for everyone. (We still don't haven't passed the ERA in America). Maybe if we didn't support the "other world and next life belief we would do even small things, like mentoring in order to encourage kids.
Somebody mentioned to read some quantum physics. I agree. In fact a terrific book is the last years publication of Faster than the Speed of Light. It's written by a young phyicist, the kind who studies the universe (cosmologist?) like Stephen Hawkings. The more you read the more you realize that phyics is just a way of thinking. It's more awesome than any god I've ever read about.
Metatron...Read The Pulitzer Prize winning "Guns Steel and Germs" it traces the history of cultural developement and the factors that influenced it. To suggest Christianity is the force behind industrialization is to miss a much larger picture.
Mouthy...I am not lost. I have never been so aware of who I am and where I'm going.
Big Tex....Reality is not a matter of choice. Our choice is how much reality matters to us.
Metatron, the math we use is Arab in origin... we had no zero without the Muslim Mathmeticians. And the Greek philosophers developed our geometry (w/ I'll bet some egyptian influence).
Well said Pete.
Take away their Jesus, Jehovah, or Allah, and what then? What then?Well then we would have just what you sound like you are!!!! LOST!!!
Hey Grace, nice to see you back and well (onnery as ever). For thousands of years people have given credit to their deities, of which there are hundreds. If being "LOST" means to no longer shrink the Divine (the Source of all things) down to a thing or entity, then, yes, I guess I must be lost. A time came in my life Grace, when I realized that the only limits or boundaries to what we call "God" are in our mind; and that our Source is always infinitely more and never ever less. I could also see that to make one person, place or thing more complete with God's presence, more holy, was to mentally reduce and subtract God from everywhere else in the universe. If we focus on a limited humanized form of God, it blinds us to what stretches Infinitely and endlessly beyond. I do not question that you have found peace within you, dear Grace. If you dive deep within this peace, you may discover there is no end, no bottom. You may realize first hand that God can not be distilled down to finite form; let alone a male human one. Your Lost Friend, j
I think some of you are getting Christianity confused with the same garbage you saw while you were dubs.
I've been a lifelong Christian, and I'll be the first to agree that organized religion in general stinks. But that's the thing, isn't it? Shouldn't you be worshipping God (if you believe in him, that is) instead of an organization? (i.e., the JWs)
It's been mentioned, but there are a lot of good people that are Christians. And they all aren't uptight, judgemental, mindless drones. Some of the best times I remember are hanging out with other Christians.
Hey Grace, nice to see you back and well (onnery as ever). Well thank you my love!!!Nice to be back!!!! Yeah!!! guess I will never change! thats why everyone who knows me says I will live forever( Only the good die young)But I read your post !!! You might be right!but I much prefer that "Peace"even if it turns out to be "bottomless" to the peace???? I had as a trusting JW-which to me turned out to be a bummer!!!Love ya!!
