Witness World Response to Apostates

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  • avishai
    avishai

    All you reveal about the governing body is the fact that they are imperfect and make mistakes. So did Jesus apostles. The point is moot. We aren't infallible and things that need correcting do get corrected in time!

    Pretty big mistake!

    *** Watchtower 1995 October 1 pp.5-7 A World Without War?When? ***

    A World Without War?When?

    THE Charter of the United Nations went into effect on October 24, 1945. It is the most comprehensive strategy for world peace ever to be designed by humans. With its original 51 member States, the United Nations became the largest international organization in the history of the world. Also, for the first time ever, an international organization would have access to an army to enforce peace and security and bring about a world without war.

    Today, with 185 member States, the United Nations is stronger than ever. Why, then, has the most powerful international organization in history failed to accomplish its noble objectives fully?

    Religion?A Great Hindrance

    One major complication is the role that religion plays in world affairs. True, ever since the inception of the United Nations, the principal religions of the world have pledged their support to that organization. Referring to its 50th anniversary, Pope John Paul II spoke of the United Nations as "the instrument par excellence for promoting and safeguarding peace." His sentiments are shared by a global community of religious leaders. But this tactful liaison between religion and government cannot hide the fact that religion has been a hindrance and a nuisance to the United Nations.

    For centuries religion has played a prime role in promoting or supporting nationalistic hatred, wars, and genocides. In recent years, under the cloak of religious fervor, neighbors have killed one another. The term "ethnic cleansing" has been widely used in connection with the war in the Balkans. However, the violent hatred that many there have for one another is based on religious affiliation rather than on race, since most of them have the same ethnic roots. Yes, religion must accept much of the responsibility for the bloodbath in the former Yugoslavia, and the United Nations has not been able to stop it.

    Appropriately, a college professor of religion recently stated that "in a post cold-war world of increasing religious militancies, an examination of religion and genocide may be one of our more pressing priorities, despite the discomfort it engenders." A new awareness of how religion is impeding the efforts for world peace is evident today.

    A 1981 UN declaration stated: "Concerned by manifestations of intolerance and by the existence of discrimination in matters of religion or belief still in evidence in some areas of the world, Resolved to adopt all necessary measures for the speedy elimination of such intolerance in all its forms and manifestations and to prevent and combat discrimination on the ground of religion or belief."

    In harmony with their declaration, the United Nations has declared 1995 to be the Year for Tolerance. Realistically speaking, though, will it ever be possible to achieve peace and security in a world divided by religion?

    The Future of Religion

    A prophecy in the Bible book of Revelation provides the answer. It speaks of a symbolic "great harlot" that sits as "a queen" and has "a kingdom over the kings of the earth." This harlot lives "in shameless luxury" and has relations with the world's governments. These governments are depicted as "a scarlet-colored wild beast," upon which the harlot rides in comfort. (Revelation 17:1-5, 18; 18:7) Known as "Babylon the Great," this powerful and immoral woman is named after ancient Babylon, the cradle of idolatrous religion. Appropriately, today the harlot represents all the world's religions, which have mingled in with the affairs of governments.

    The account goes on to say that, in time, God will put it into the hearts of militaristic components of the wild beast to take action. These "will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." (Revelation 17:16) Thus Jehovah God himself will have taken the initiative by maneuvering powerful nations into a campaign to remove false religion. The worldwide religious system, with its luxurious temples and shrines, will be completely devastated. Religious hindrance to establishing peace and security will then be out of their way. But even then, will there be real peace and security on earth?

    Imperfect Human Nature

    Is there any guarantee that eliminating religion will really clear the way for a world without war? No. The United Nations will continue to face an ironic situation. On the one hand, people want peace and security. Yet, on the other hand, it is people who pose the greatest threat to peace and security. Hatred, pride, egotism, selfishness, and ignorance are human traits at the root of all conflicts and wars.?James 4:1-4.

    The Bible foretold that in our day people would be "lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride."?2 Timothy 3:1-4.

    Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali acknowledged that "the world is suffering from a social and moral crisis which, in many societies, is of immense proportions." No amount of diplomatic maneuvers can neutralize the harmful traits of imperfect human nature.?Compare Genesis 8:21; Jeremiah 17:9.

    Jesus Christ?The Prince of Peace

    Clearly, the United Nations does not have the ability to bring world peace. Its members and supporters are all imperfect humans, notwithstanding their lofty goals. The Bible says that "to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." (Jeremiah 10:23) Furthermore, God warns: "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs."?Psalm 146:3.

    The Bible foretells what Jehovah will accomplish through his Son, the "Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6, 7 states: "There has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end."

    The nations of the world have been wearied by 50 years of frustrated efforts. Very soon they will destroy harlotlike religious organizations. Then Jesus Christ, the "King of kings and Lord of lords," and his army of heavenly warriors will dissolve all human governments and put to death all who reject God's sovereignty. (Revelation 19:11-21; compare Daniel 2:44.) By this means Jehovah God will bring about a world without war.

    [Footnotes]

    For an in-depth study of the prophecy of Revelation regarding Babylon the Great, see chapters 33 to 37 of the book Revelation?Its Grand Climax At Hand!, published in 1988 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

    [Box on page 7]
    THE CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE UNITED NATIONS

    In Bible prophecy, human governments are often symbolized by wild beasts. (Daniel 7:6, 12, 23; 8:20-22) Hence, for many decades the Watchtower magazine has identified the wild beasts of Revelation chapters 13 and 17 with today's worldly governments. This includes the United Nations, which is depicted in Revelation chapter 17 as a scarlet-colored beast with seven heads and ten horns.

    However, this Scriptural position does not condone any form of disrespect toward governments or their officials. The Bible clearly states: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves."?Romans 13:1, 2.

    Accordingly, Jehovah's Witnesses, who are maintaining strict political neutrality, do not interfere with human governments. They never foment revolution or participate in acts of civil disobedience. Rather, they recognize that some form of government is necessary to maintain law and order in human society.?Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1.

    Jehovah's Witnesses view the United Nations organization as they do other governmental bodies of the world. They acknowledge that the United Nations continues to exist by God's permission. In harmony with the Bible, Jehovah's Witnesses render due respect to all governments and obey them as long as such obedience does not require that they sin against God.?Acts 5:29.

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Proclaimers (1993) pp.192-3 ch.14 "They Are No Part of the World" ***

    Once again, following World War II, Christians were faced with a similar issue. This time, it involved the United Nations, successor to the League. While World War II was still under way, in 1942, Jehovah's Witnesses had already discerned from the Bible, at Revelation 17:8, that the world peace organization would rise again, also that it would fail to bring lasting peace. This was explained by N. H. Knorr, then president of the Watch Tower Society, in the convention discourse "Peace?Can It Last?" Boldly Jehovah's Witnesses proclaimed that view of the developing world situation. On the other hand, Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish leaders actually shared in the deliberations in San Francisco in 1945 during which the UN Charter was drafted. To observers of these developments, it was plain who wanted to be "a friend of the world" and who was endeavoring to be "no part of the world," as Jesus had said would be true of his disciples.?Jas. 4:4; John 17:14.

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Proclaimers (1993) pp.707-8 ch.31 How Chosen and Led by God ***

    In addition to their view of the Bible, in what other ways did the early Bible Students associated with Russell stand out as different? Certainly in the zeal that they manifested in sharing their beliefs with others, with special emphasis on proclaiming God's name and Kingdom. Though they were relatively few in number, they quickly reached out into scores of lands with the good news. Were they also truly no part of the world, as followers of Christ? In some respects, yes. But their awareness of the responsibility involved in this has grown since World War I, until now it has become an outstanding characteristic of Jehovah's Witnesses. It should not be overlooked that when other religious groups were hailing the League of Nations and, later, the United Nations, Jehovah's Witnesses proclaimed God's Kingdom?not any man-made organization?as mankind's only hope.

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Greatest Man (1991) p.111 Sign of the Last Days ***

    In the major fulfillment of the sign, the disgusting thing is the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations. This organization for world peace is viewed by Christendom as a substitute for God's Kingdom. How disgusting! In time, therefore, the political powers associated with the UN will turn on Christendom (antitypical Jerusalem) and will desolate her.

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Mankind's Search for God (1990) p.370 ch.16 The True God and Your Future ***

    Time to Flee From False Religion

    10 What does the Bible foretell will be the final destiny of this globe-encircling harlot? In symbolic language, the book of Revelation describes her destruction at the hands of political elements. These are symbolized by "ten horns" that support the United Nations, "a scarlet-colored wild beast" that is the image of Satan's bloodstained political system.?Revelation 16:2; 17:3-16.

    [Emphasis Added]

  • Mulan
    Mulan
    Why do you come to a Witness site and feel the need to lie about who you are?

    Why do you think? Just think about it for a minute. Would the moderators let an ex JW sign up to post? On many of those boards, you have to tell your cong., the second song, for the third service meeting of the month, or some other such nonsense, and on one you have to referred by someone who can vouch for you.

    At least on this one, we welcome all posters.

  • avishai
    avishai

    Ya know what, Jonadab? I'll even give you $50.00 US if you post your REAL name on here. To be confirmed by giving me the # of your kh & what night you'll be at meeting. If you post it, I'll call you at your hall, ask for you, & if you confirm it's you, I'll paypal you $50.00. I'm serious.

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Avi, have some compasion. Were you ever a doubting dub? Would you have responded to that? I wouldn't have.

    ~Aztec

  • Globetrotter
    Globetrotter

    Why aren't they open to debate? Why can't they think for themselves? Why must they be intellectually dishonest? Why do they block access to their site? Why do they delete suspect members? Why is someone suspect?

    Why??

    Why??

    Why??

    WHY???!!!

    WHY???!!!

    WHY???!!!

    WHY???!!!

    WHY???!!!

    WHY???!!!

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Yet again: They are not always ready to have their eyes opened. I wasn't a scant two years ago. Have some compassion. They need to find out at their own pace. All of you who are trying to bring them out too fast: please don't. It is doing little good.

    ~Aztec

  • Satans little helper
    Satans little helper

    do ya think they would get pissy if I registered on their board with my handle? Do ya think so????

  • SpunkyChick
    SpunkyChick

    First off - LMAO @ Doc! You naughty apostate, rebel you! Jehover certainly won't write your name in the book of life now!!

    Wanna have a grave next to each other? It will be fun! We can swap maggots!

    Shamus - ROTFWL! Can I swap some too?

    I'm really surprised that you bother to sign up at JW sites still. It's a game that is quite tiresome. As soon as you start to post you reveal yourselves.

    Jonadab - I'm really suprized you came over here and posted on a naughty, evil, apostate site! Shame on you! I know that Jehover won't write your name in the book of life either! You better go confess to the elders and pray and repent!

    All you reveal about the governing body is the fact that they are imperfect and make mistakes.
    Let's not forget that the governing body not only got involved with the UN, but protects pedophiles as well! That's a pretty freaken HUGE and illegal mistake. If I had a choice to return to the JW's or rip out and suck on my own eyeball; I'd pick the latter. Quit counting time over here and go read a watchtower. Agape Jonadab.
  • SpunkyChick
    SpunkyChick
    I'm coming here openly as an active JW.

    Oh yeah, btw, my name is Nicole Milan.

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    Security is tightened and the registration process becomes more difficult.

    Ah yes I can see it all clearly now.You have Watchtowers placed at the four corners.You have barbed wire and spotlights between to guard against infiltration of nasty apostates.You can delete at will any who dare question or oppose you.

    My only question is how much longer it will take you to realize that it is you yourself that are imprisioned by the false,God defaming doctrines and practices of the WT society.

    REMEMBER...Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

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