by DevonMcBride 102 Replies latest jw friends
ROFLMAO at Avashi!
Hey, whoever you are... my belongings nearly got burned in the forest fires up here this year in B.C. I was pretty freaked out...
Avashi was ready to send up a care package to me. I have never talked to him on the phone, I don't "message" him (or anyone for that matter). I think he is a person that would honor his agreement with you. Why don't you? I would love to see it! But remember, Jehovah will know if you're lying....
Why do you come to a Witness site and feel the need to lie about who you are?
Why do Witnesses lie when they go door to door? They don't tell the truth about who they are.... they never tell the householder that you must believe 100% of the WTS teachings without exception. They never tell the prospective members that if you join and then decide to leave you will be ostracized. They never tell newly interested ones that after you've been in the org a little while (and especially after you've been baptized) you lose the ability to question the core beliefs of the WTS. We could go on and on....
Let us know if you ever change your tune and become dedicated, baptized Witnesses.
I already was for a huge part of my life. It didn't work. I couldn't take the cult mind control any longer. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm never coming back.
I do agree that it is basically pointless to join a JW board undercover and try to get people to realize the truth about the troof. Doubt I'll ever do that again...
Drwtsn32 wrote:
At home I block the referrer tag at my proxy
I want to block my "referrer tags" also!
How do I do that? I use Earthlink to get online.
--VM44
Thanks for the welcome Aztec and others and the $50 offer from avishai. I believe that avishai would pay me the money if I told him my real name. But then I didn't come here to exchange names and I don't need the money.
As I have stated in prior posts, I have examined my beliefs. I also know what many of you believe and why. I am not ignorant about the controversies. You are happy with your thoughts and I am happy with mine. We both have valid reasons for believing the way we do. We just don't agree with each others reasoning on the issues at hand. I believe that most of you are good people who care about each other and the people in your communities. I would probably get along with many of you as neighbors.
Globetrotter asked: "Why aren't they open to debate? ..... Why do they block access to their site?"
We aren't looking for an argument. Jesus could have debated with the best minds of his time, but that wasn't his purpose. He often used the Pharisees and Sadducees questions to reveal what was in their hearts. He was looking for those who were humble and teachable. Paul didn't allow the disagreement regarding circumcision to go on and on as a debatable issue. He and Barnabas went to the older men in Jerusalem, it was discussed and a decision was rendered (see Acts 15). Paul also put an end to the reasoning of those who argued that there was no resurrection (see 1 Cor. 15).
w93 8/1 pp. 16-17 Let No One Spoil Your Useful Habits
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Many people will debate for hours, week after week, but not because they are seeking truth. They just want to undermine another’s faith while flaunting their own supposed education in Hebrew, Greek, or evolutionary science. When encountering them, some Witnesses have felt challenged and have wound up having extended association centered on false religious belief, philosophy, or scientific error. It is noteworthy that Jesus did not let that happen to him, though he could have won debates with religious leaders who were schooled in Hebrew or Greek. When challenged, Jesus replied briefly and then turned his attention again to humble ones, the real sheep.—Matthew 22:41-46; 1 Corinthians 1:23–2:2.
We are quite willing to discuss with those we meet in our ministry what we believe and why. Not all agree with us, but some are willing to continue the conversation at another time. Those who only want to argue, like the religious leaders of Jesus day, we will excuse ourselves and be on our way, much the same as he did.
All we're doing is having a social gathering with like-minded individuals, just as we would be doing if we were invited to someones home for an evening get-together. If you invite guests into your home for a private gathering you generally don't leave the front door open for anyone to walk in. JW Discussion is a different type of forum. It declares itself open to one and all. That is all well and good and it serves the purpose for which it was intended. WitnessWorld and other db's fill their intended purpose. To each their own. Live and let live.
Agape to you too Nicole Milan.
Sorry shamus, I won't be trading maggots with you. I plan on being cremated. A lot more efficient, better for the environment and cheaper too.
we will excuse ourselves and be on our way, much the same as he did.
and in your smugness you never get to the point where you question the things you have been taught. You walk away and know your unloving god will exact vengeance on those who didn't listen to your "good news" of the kingdom. Why don't you stick around and learn something? Does it hinder your pursuit of the truth and your love of a christian god to do so? No, just like walking into a church...your stomach gets the butterflies and you probably think demons are right around the corner. I feel sorry for you in many ways.
Sincerely,.
District Overbeer
Jonadab Welcome! You sound sincere...a tad self-righteous, but sincere none the less! If all JW's were like you...THEY WOULD COME HERE! Maverick
Hello everyone. Long time since I visited here.I'm really surprised that you bother to sign up at JW sites still. It's a game that is quite tiresome. As soon as you start to post you reveal yourselves. Is it really worth it? I can't see that you are going to catch anyone with threads like the UN/NGO debate. All you reveal about the governing body is the fact that they are imperfect and make mistakes. So did Jesus apostles. The point is moot. We aren't infallible and things that need correcting do get corrected in time.
I'm not here to start an argument. That would be a waste of everyones time. I'm coming here openly as an active JW. In this I am being honest. Why do you come to a Witness site and feel the need to lie about who you are? WitnessWorld, PureLanguage and any other Witness site that has come along has learned to spot and to weed out those who aren't truly Jehovah's Witnesses. Security is tightened and the registration process becomes more difficult. It's one thing to lurk in an open site and to cut and paste to your hearts content. You do that with the Society's literature already.
somebodylovesme and drwtsn32: Let us know if you ever change your tune and become dedicated, baptized Witnesses. You would then be quite welcome to join us. That goes for anyone else here.
and in my experience, when they start doing that weeding out, they have approximately 6 more months before they implode.
They just want to undermine another?s faith while flaunting their own supposed education in Hebrew, Greek, or evolutionary science.
And that is precisely what JWs do at the door. They want nothing but to undermine the faith of others while flaunting their supposed monopoly on the one and only truth.
Can't JW's see that they do the very thing they condemn? I guess not... I certainly didn't realize I did it. "We have the truth! That's what gives us the right to undermine other people's faith!"
Jonadab, if I was having a quiet, private gathering with "like-minded people" in my home, I would feel no compunction to go to the next door neighbor's house (the one with the noisy party and the hot tub) to explain why they're not invited. Now, you know you're welcome in the hot tub, but what purpose does it serve to explain why we're not wanted? Are you trying to make us feel like we're missing out on something? Honey, been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
Agreeing to disagree is one thing, but please face the fact that you belong to a religious group that has blood on its hands for the way it treats its members. I'm not disfellowshipped or disassociated -- I merely stopped going to meetings and, in the two years since I stopped, NOT ONE SINGLE ELDER has shown up on my doorstep to see how I am. They didn't come by when I stopped attending meetings. They didn't come by last January-March when they were supposed to call on all inactive ones. They didn't come by last February after my dad committed suicide (which, by the way, was because of the way the elders in his congregation treated him, but I don't suppose you'd want to hear that story -- might upset your peace of mind). How am I supposed to feel about that? Is that the "loving brotherhood" that's trumpeted from the platform? Is that supposed to make me WANT to go to meetings?
I know, I know, I've heard it before: "Well, I'm sorry that happened, but . . ." Until it happens to you personally, you will not be able to comprehend what I'm talking about, because you are programmed like a little robot to reject anything that conflicts with what you are told by the collective (i.e., the Governing Body, elders, faithful & discreet slave). You don't have an original thought in your head -- all of your thoughts and responses are programmed by the Watchtower. We were created by God to have free will, and I think He expects us to use our brain to distinguish between truth and mindless twaddle.
Sorry, I've gotten on one of my soapboxes (the older I get, the more I have). I really hope you do stay in the hot tub long enough to read some of our experiences and see if you can reconcile that with what you're told to believe.
Nina
We aren't looking for an argument. Jesus could have debated with the best minds of his time, but that wasn't his purpose. He often used the Pharisees and Sadducees questions to reveal what was in their hearts
You are'nt? not at the door?
