I strongly agree with Cofty and DesirousOfChange. No sympathy from me. All my and my wife's family members are still in. I cannot fathom how they can be... how they don't see what we do. They are severely lacking in something - common sense and/or discernment and/or humility and/or honesty. I don't know exactly what's wrong with them; I just know something is.
2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change
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Dagney
IMHO, sunk cost fallacy, as well as being in a long time community from what I observe. No reason to change unless you feel the need you have to.
Also, the paradise is a big carrot and stroooong desire. We look at them and want to say "it's not happening!" They feel like they are almost there...
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DesirousOfChange
No reason to change unless you feel the need you have to.
I think a person often ignores the obvious (or what should be) until it affects them personally. They can turn a blind eye or ignore the "rumors" of child abuse UNTIL IT IS THEIR CHILD OR GRAND CHILD. They can ignore an unjust DFing when it is some distant acquaintance in the next congregation, but WHEN THEY (or their family member) get effed over for some minor indiscretion while the prominent elder's kid gets their serious incident overlooked and a slap on the risk, THEN their eyes are opened.
Then they see the injustice.
Then they see that the claim of Hocus Pocus Holy Spirit in the decision making is total bullsheit.
It takes getting personally poked in the eye before they can see.
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Beth Sarim
When you believe something for 50 or 60 years your entire adult life,,, thats all you know are willing to know. You refuse to believe anything at all even when it smacks you upside the head.
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LongHairGal
DESIROUS OF CHANGE:
Yes, it’s true that most Witnesses in any congregation will NOT understand another JWs serious issues with the religion (and will NOT care) unless they have been personally touched.
I remember talking to men in my age category in the congregation who had full time jobs like I did.. Well, nobody was going up to them and telling them to quit their job to clean toilets and pioneer!! I guess just women got singled out for this nonsense. Thank God I ignored all these hypocrites and kept my job.
I really have no pity or use for the rank & file JWs who cannot or will not see the obvious hypocrisy in the religion. They ‘go along with the crowd’ and are complicit in my book. I could never be around them.
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Ron.W.
LHG In my hall 'young ones' were aggressively targeted as the only ones who should be pioneering.
We had a few non working elders who had retired early on really good pensions/payoffs paid off mortgages & 2nd homes who did around 10hrs a month -
constantly saying that young ones should leave school, get a part time job and pioneer - full time working was severely frowned upon by them - what hypocrites!!
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LongHairGal
RON W:
Yes, the young ones were aggressively targeted but in my opinion it was mostly females.. Somehow, a brother got a ‘pass’ or was less scrutinized if he had a full-time job.
Oh, there was an attitude here and there but it was NOWHERE near as bad as for a woman. The hypocrisy and double standard is monumental in this religion and what you describe about older retired people with cushy lives pushing poverty on some young person is entirely accurate.
I am glad I was raised Catholic and had my ‘worldly’ family and friends’ wisdom instilled in me so that Witness bullshit was rejected… Anybody who looked around the hall and saw all the older people collecting their pensions would realize you’d have to have your head examined to listen to the religion.
But, I will say it again that it’s the rank & file Witnesses who are responsible for helping to make trouble with their gossip and judgment.
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Beth Sarim
Ron W they constantly slam higher education & then they end up relying on the educated people in society who have an education