The fact that Trinitarians appeal to Isaiah 9:6 to prove that Jesus is God, does not mean that they also interpret the phrase "Everlasting Father" in Isaiah 9:6 to mean the person of the Father, which is what is need in order to claim that Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the person of the Father, or that Jesus "prayed to himself."
Again you don't seem to get the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying that trinitarians claim Jesus is the Father. My point is that you should not be using Isaiah 9:6 to prove that Jesus is God since the text also says he is the Everlasting Father. If he is not God the Father, then he is also not Almighty God.
I think it's astounding how trinitarians pick and choose to believe what they want to believe or don't want to believe. You try to make the case that the Messiah is Almighty God by magnifying "Mighty God" into "Almighty God." Then you almost ignore "Everlasting Father" as if it were meaningless.
But this is typical of trinitarians. You make a big issue of a small number of enigmatic texts that say in your mind that Jesus is God, and you ignore that weight of Scripture that clearly says only the Father is God.
In order to claim that Trinitarians believe that Jesus prayed to himself, you need to show that Trinitarians believe that "the one" specifically in Hebrews 5:7 is referring to all the persons of the Trinity rather than the specific person of the Father.
I haven't claimed that trinitarians believe or teach that Jesus prayed to himself. What I've shown is that believing in a Trinity requires belief that Jesus prayed to himself. It's amazing that trinitarians can't see this. You claim that the three Persons are not three Gods. You say the three are One. Yet, when Hebrews 5:7 says Jesus prayed to "the One" you change your story. Now you say "the One" is not the three Persons of the Trinity. It is only one of those Persons. As with your inconsistency regarding Isaiah 9:6, your inconsistency with Hebrews 5:7 shows that trinitarians will stoop even to changing the meaning of terms in order to hold on to their theory as if for dear life.
I don't understand why the trinity thing is so hard for people to grasp. We were created in God's image, right? We have a mind, a body, and a spirit, or "active force".
Jehovah is the mind, Jesus is the Body and the Holy Spirit is just that!
I don't understand why the trinity thing is so hard for people to grasp. We were created in God's image, right? We have a mind, a body, and a spirit, or "active force".
Surely you can't be serious! Trinitarians claim their God is composed of three PERSONS, not three aspects of one person. A human mind alone is not a complete person. Neither is a human body nor the spirit within a person.
The fact that we were created in God's image shows plainly that God is not a Trinity. If he were, then we also would each be composed of three persons, not just one. Each of us would have three minds since the Bible speaks of the mind of God and the mind of Christ and the mind of the Spirit. (Romans 8:27; 1 Corinthians 2:16) Each of us would have three wills since Christ said he did not his own will but did the Father's will. (John 5:30; 6:38)
The KJV and the NASV do not even use the phrase "the One" in Hebrews 5:7, but instead use the phrase "him."
The NASB says "the One able to save Him from death."
So, what's the difference? Only in the mind of a trinitarian does "him" equal three persons instead of one. As is their custom, trinitarians set their own terms that they expect everybody else to abide by. If they say 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, they expect us to believe it. The same is true if they say God wants us to see three persons each time he says "I," "me," and "myself" and each time the Bible speaks of God as "he," "him," and "himself".
One of the illustrations that you posted indicates that Trinitarians interpret "the One" in Hebrews 5:7 to refers to the Father alone, yet another illustration presents Trinitarians as believeing in four persons in the Trinity by showing a diagram of "the One" that Jesus prays to in Hebrews 5:7 being all three members of the Trinity.
Yes, isn't it amazing how contradictory trinitarians are? They really do believe that "the One" in Hebrews 5:7 is the Father alone. On the other hand, they believe that "the One" God is not only the Father, but also includes God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Then they divide God the Son into two natures, saying that the human Son prayed but that the divine Son does not pray. Any person who claims to be a student of the Bible and who also claims to believe such non-sensical mumbo-jumbo ought to be ashamed!
You say the three are One. Yet, when Hebrews 5:7 says Jesus prayed to "the One" you change your story. Now you say "the One" is not the three Persons of the Trinity. It is only one of those Persons.
Unitarians, which use Bibles with the phrase "the One" in Hebrews 5:7 (such as the Jehovah's Witnesses) will say that Jesus prayed to "the One." In Hebrews 5:7 they will say that "the One" refers to God. However, when it comes to John 19:37 some Unitarians (such as those who use the NWT) will change their story and say that "the One" (NWT) who is pierced does not refer to God, but a to a creature.
Yes, isn't it amazing how contradictory trinitarians are? They really do believe that "the One" in Hebrews 5:7 is the Father alone. On the other hand, they believe that "the One" God is not only the Father, but also includes God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
See above for how some Unitarians themselves change their meaning of the phrase "the One."
The NASB says "the One able to save Him from death."
Not all additions of the NASB read the same. My 1971 edition reads "to Him."
The Bible that I use (the KJV ) does not use the phrase "the One" in Hebrews 5:7 but instead "unto him." I don't even know if the Greek text even has a word in Hebrews 5:7 which should be translated as a title such as "the One."
The fact that we were created in God's image shows plainly that God is not a Trinity. If he were, then we also would each be composed of three persons, not just one.
This is a fallacy of making God exist in mans image. It is like saying: "The fact that we were created in God's image shows plainly that God is not able to be in more than one place at a time (multi-present). If he were, then we also would each be able to be in more than one place at a time, not just one."
