Victory for Terrorism (page 9)

Panda

sixofnine, Interesting that you claim the US is not fighting terrorism... have you spoken to any returning soldiers from Iraq OR Afghanistan? They seem to think (the few I know) that we are fighting terrorism. Mostly what I hear is "God f***ing dammit, what is wrong with these people?"

???? returning soldiers? Dead ones or live ones? With, or without their limbs?

All limbs, all live and, going back.

So they (soldiers) are saying "God f*****g dammit what is wrong with these people" eh? Sounds like they still don't understand their enemy then. That's kind of essential in war you know.

HMMMM... how would you know? In the military sure the soldiers are briefed and schooled as to Iraq's customs etc. BUT it takes years to know another culture. American soldiers in Iraq are following orders AND making informed decisions. That's kind of essential in war you know.

I admit it, I'm speechless, I don't know how to respond, for that matter I don't know what this has to do with the price of rocket launchers in Mosul.

Oh please... I was talking about the rebuilding of the nation of Iraq as compared with the changes possible in the face of opposing ideology. If people in Iraq get the social benefits of their oil income then their childrens future will be better...parents will work and get paid; medicine will be available (even if they have to buy it from Canada at least they'll be able to buy it). Schools will be open for rich or poor. Books newspapers, the internet will be available to everyone. These changes have happened despite the CCP in China and will happen despite the patriarchic Islamic ideals which allow men like SH to grab his people by the scrotum.

Freedom and individualism define America.

Yes, among many other things. People around the world could easily look up to America's ideals; they just need us to live up to them. It's kind of hard when we have war-mongering good ol' boy chickenhawk unilateralist low-intelligence assholes at the helm.

First, how nice for you that calling your President a "chickenhawk ...." doesn't land you in some 5x5 cement hole having had the "passion" beat out of you.

What are ideals? Aren't they the goals we reach for? Because we don't exemplify 100% of our fine American ideals does that mean we don't continue to try? Ideals are idealy desirerable , thats why we call them ideal. You understand that right?

SixofNine

When you associate the war in Iraq with a war on terrorism, Panda, you lie.

blacksheep

"When you associate the war in Iraq with a war on terrorism, Panda, you lie." Oh, really. What about Sadaam's regime did NOT reflect terrorism? How can you reasonably say that this despotic killer has NOTHING to do with terrorism?

SixofNine

oh buy a [edited] clue.

patio34

Hi Blacksheep,

You said to Six:

What about Sadaam's regime did NOT reflect terrorism? How can you reasonably say that this despotic killer has NOTHING to do with terrorism?

As far as I understand it, it's pretty much a given that Sadaam had absolutely nothing to do with the attack on the US, Sadaam himself was on Osama's sh*t list, Sadaam was defanged and no threat to the US in any way nor even his neighboring countries were worried about him anymore, and the terrorists that did attack the US were predominantly from Saudi Arabia.

Now, why did we invade Iraq? Just joking--I know the usual answer: Sadaam was an "evil" man, blah, blah, blah. They had to come up with something after the war. And how does this mean the US is fighting terrorism?

Pat

Panda

Yerusalyim

Morph,

Apparently you missed (or ignored) my comments on the democratic process in Spain, here it is for you again,

Mind you, I'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the Spanish decided to part ways with the US of it's own volition, GREAT!...However, the Socialists were project to NOT win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.

The issue isn't that Spain has changed governments, but that it was done at the senseless murder of over 200 Spanish citizens. Explain to me exactly how this will NOT be seen as a victory by AQ. Look for more bombings in Europe (and the US) around election time.

Simon,

This thread is NOT about the loss of Spain as an ardent ally, it's about HOW that came about. Simon, surely you can see that this spells trouble for Europe...can't you?

To EVERYONE, this thread is NOT a debate on the war in Iraq, it's about a senseless murderous bombing in Spain that has changed the political landscape and bodes ill for Europe.

As to the war in Iraq...it IS a part of the War on Terror...and Libya is a good example of the victory in Iraq...it convinced them to play on the world stage in a proper manner.

blacksheep

"As far as I understand it, it's pretty much a given that Sadaam had absolutely nothing to do with the attack on the US, Sadaam himself was on Osama's sh*t list, Sadaam was defanged and no threat to the US in any way nor even his neighboring countries were worried about him anymore, and the terrorists that did attack the US were predominantly from Saudi Arabia."

On the contrary, evidence of Sadaam/Al Q ties are increasingly emerging. Clearly, the sophisticated network of terrorism cannot be defined in black/white terms as you are attempting to do. Further, it was Sadaam's cat/mouse game of not allowing weapons inspections that caused concern for not only the US, but the world. The corruption/kickbacks Euro countries were getting from the UN sponsored food-for-oil program through Sadaam was appalling (and explains a bit about why France & Russia weren't too keen to stop Sadaam). More and more evidence is emerging of terrorist networks.

And think about it: Al Queda apparently WAS responsible for bombing innocent people due to Osama's outrage of Spains support of Iraqi occupation. He's angry at the US for our toppling Sadaam, and he's angry at any county who supports them. HE obviously saw US action as a war against him and his kind. He saw it as a move on terror.

Clearly, what has been going on HAS and will continue to be a fight on terror. Spain's method of dealing has encouraged terrorists that their tactics of intimidation work.

Narkissos

Farkel, you either ignored or missed my central comment:

My guess is that international war would be the most incredibly stupid response to terrorism, actually confirming that terrorism is the only effective (and still unpunished) subversive action in a one-power (or "empire") world.

IOW, you are annoyed by the flies (terrorists) and you shoot at the cows (states). You don't realize that a heap of corpses (dismantled states) will bring many more flies than a herd of cows.

BTW, I'm not an Amercan citizen and I can't even vote for Donald Duck.

SixofNine

On the contrary, evidence of Sadaam/Al Q ties are increasingly emerging.

Absolute, unmitigated horse effluence, and I don't mean drool. Not that I have any doubt that yo...... never mind

Sadaam and Al Q were opposed to each other politically, idealogically, and most importantly, religiously. Would they occasionally sniff each others butt? No doubt, curr dogs everywhere do that, but then so do Lassie and Olde Yeller.

Six~ e is for Englishman class

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