Victory for Terrorism (page 6)

Phantom Stranger

Two of the things I hope for from Kerry as a leader are the ability to make reasoned decisions when he has time, and to make good snap decisions when he doesn't have time.

For whatever reasons, Gore did not convince enough voters that he could make snap decisions.

I think that Kerrys' record in the Senate speaks to the first hope, but I don't think anyone's record in government can speak to the second unless they have been in charge of something during a crisis - a wartime President, or Mayor of NYC in September of 2001, for example. Or in command during combat, as Kerry has. It may not be much to base an evaluation on, but I'm going with it... as I am very displeased with both Bush's reasoned and snap decisions, and would like to try someone else.

Narkissos

Farkel...

What Spain SHOULD have done is what we did: increase their military resources and go after and KILL those bastards.

So that's what "you" did? I must have missed something in the news. What "you" did is bringing back and keeping the balance of killed people positive on your side, but most of those who planned the 9/11 attack are still running afaik.

There are a LOT of those bastards in Iraq and because of the instability there it will draw other terror bastards into that part of the world.

And who created the current "instability" there?

My guess is that international war would be the most incredibly stupid response to terrorism, actually confirming that terrorism is the only effective (and still unpunished) subversive action in a one-power (or "empire") world. I said "would be", because I'm pretty convinced that "terrorism" was only brought up in the second Iraq war for the sake of "communication".

However, reality is changing as a result of US action. There was probably not any link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda before the Iraq war, now there is. Isn't that great?

For all the horror of terrorism and the poison it distillates into democracies, one positive message the Spanish election expresses is that governments cannot eternally disregard the will of their peoples in the foreign policy they adopt. I hope this message reaches the UK and perhaps even the USA very soon.

ThiChi

""I look at this Spanish election as a golden opportunity for President Bush to get back on offense. I look at this as a great opportunity for President Bush to get the moral high ground back because there's a question that faces all of us now. Terrorism is either defeated or surrendered to, and this was true before the Spanish election results muddied the waters.

Europe understood this. Egypt and Turkey are on the way to understanding it. All these countries that have flown the white flag, including the UN and Iraq and Turkey and Saudi Arabia, all these countries that have raised the white flag and sent the signal to terrorists, "Don't bother us. We're not your enemy," have all suffered attacks. They want everybody to believe, the media wants everybody to believe that Spain got hit because they allied with the United States, and that may be true. But the real question now is, "Okay, the terrorists won. They got rid of a hard-line U.S. ally, with a terrorist bombing couple-three days before the election." They should have delayed this election because of this, but that's wishful thinking now and irrelevant. ""

I agree...

""The question now becomes: "What are they going to do here?" Who do you think the terrorists would rather have in office in this country - socialists like those in Spain as personified by John Kerry and his friends in the Democratic Party, or George W. Bush?

don't know if you heard this or not, but Gerhard Schroeder called for the European Union to do something. There's nothing they can do, but he's out there demanding they do something. What? EU defense ministers going to get together and have a meeting? I mean, there is no European Union rapid-response force to come to Spain's aid, so all they can do is call for somebody to do something -

To those of you who vest your security in the United Nations, what are you going to get? You going to get a resolution condemning this from the Security Council? That's going to go a long way, isn't it? How many of those before Iraq? How many resolutions have there been against terrorism around the world? Other than in Israel, which has a 9/11 every week, but nobody seem seems to get a buzz on anymore. Maybe it should be a firm resolution? That's what the UN could do. They could come out with a "firm resolution" and really send the world a message, ladies and gentlemen, or maybe a "non-confrontational, ambiguous resolution"? but they've got to do something but they can't do anything. They are impotent as well. They had to be in utter panic. ""

Phantom Stranger

thichi:

From the Posting Guidelines:

Please don't add the same comment to more than one forum.

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ThiChi

Well, what do you know? Are you now "Mother?"

For your information, I added more comments to this topic which included more information to the topic at hand. So, it is not the same comment. I have complied with the spirit of this request.

Soooo mind your own business (Grrrr) , or e-mail me if you got a problem with my posting (I think that is a rule somewhere too).

(PS: This is a different topic in the same forum. So I claim honest interpretation differences with you. )

blacksheep

"Of course Al Q feel it is a victory, just as Bush sees Iraq as a victory."

Let's see: terrorizing and murdering innocent men, women, and children without warning, and as they went about their daily lives, is a "victory." Freeing a nation from the tyranny of a despot who murdered, enslaved, and tortured innocent people, freeing women/children to be properly educated, encouraging the building of a democracy honoring human rights as opposed to oppressing an entire nation, is also a VERY different kind of victory. Please explain how you think they are the same.

"Yeru' read Michael Moores book, 'stupid White Men', its the equivilant of Crisis of Conscience for American Patriots."

Michael Moore is a slobbish, iritating rube. And I read Crisis of Concience. I found it rambling, self-centered, and reflecting the views of someone who had been duped who was expressing disagreement. Yes, poor man, he was censured, but who ultimately offered nothing positive as an alternative. My guess is he set up a similar cult of his own. So, yeah, I can see how you might see the Michael More and Ray? Franz to be similar characters.

blacksheep

"And who created the current "instability" there?"

Ah, I see. Far better to let a torturing despot rule his country with an iron fist than dare to risk deposing him. We wouldn't want to create any unrest or instability, would we?? So long as WE'RE comfy, let the dictator kill, maim, and otherwise terrorize his nation.

"However, reality is changing as a result of US action. There was probably not any link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda before the Iraq war, now there is. Isn't that great?"

Interesting that you seem to have the scoop on terrorism. Most people didn't know the underground link between Hussein and France/Russian kickbacks in the food for oil program either. Strange bedfellows are certainly unsurfacing.

Phantom Stranger

How can I mind my own business on a public forum? (BTW, the "grrr" was comical).

I did not see the added data because you added it later... so now it is not identical, true...

Simon

"Ooh, Spain doesn't support us ... the terrorists have won"

Purleeze

The Spanish didn't want the war, only their suckup "Ooh look, I get to stand next to Mr President" wanted it (similar to England in that regard).

Who the Spanish want to elect to govern them and represent them is their business. The simple fact is that the previous leadership went against the wishes of the people and, perhaps being around Bush too much, started lying and not seeing the bleeding obvious in front of their face (that it was Al Quida and not ETA).

Good luck to 'em.

blacksheep

"Two of the things I hope for from Kerry as a leader are the ability to make reasoned decisions when he has time, and to make good snap decisions when he doesn't have time."

Based on his past voting record in the Senate, his pushing his "honorable" service in Vietnam, only to come back and bitterly oppose the war and basically call other soldiers murderers, etc., I think what you'll get with Kerry is truly, a man of "nuance." Translated, this means someone who carefully attempts to discern whatever the prevailing political of the populace is.

Now that I think about it, someone who caters to the majority. That seems to be lauded in by some posters here from Europe. But that's politics. Not leadership.

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