Hamas Founder DEAD

by Yerusalyim 119 Replies latest social current

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  patio34

  This is very interesting. I read part of The Source too. The Jewish people have a very long history.

  I also read The Dummy's Guide to The Mideastern Conflict.

  There I learned that that area has been carved up for some time especially in the last 100 years and that Jewish people were arbitrarily given land that belonged to the Arabs' for a given period of time, by the British. But the deadline came and went.

  Yeru stated that the Palestinians wanted to destroy Israel. It sounds so simple. But I've read that Israel has carved up the Palestinians land so that they can't even get to their own farms at times. Sometimes husbands can't even get thru checkpoints to return to their familes at the end of the day. Students can't return home. All because of boundaries set by the Israelis.

  Probably no one has heard of Rachel Corrie. She was run down and killed by a Israeli bulldozer in a peaceful protest. She was from the US.

  But most important in that part of the world is WATER and from what I've read, the Israelis are depriving the Palestinians of access to enough of that.

  There's always another side to the issue other than just the Jews wanting a homeland or that the Palestinians are evil people.

  There's much much more to be said about that conflict and I feel it's pretty simplistic, well no, actually incredibly simplistic to have an opinion on that complex dispute on the basis of what's been happening in the past few years without taking into consideration what's been going on for 100 years.

  So much of what we Americans know from our news sources are the current situation without the historical context of other countries. Then decisions are made based on limited knowledge. Prejudices are formed on isolated information.

  Well, I didn't mean to be rude or offensive to anyone, just that it's unfair to criticize and wish deaths on a limited pc of the jigsaw puzzle.

  Warmly,

  Pat
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  Valis

  ...IF their motive is a homeland...if their motive is the destruction of Israel...they will lose.

  um capitulating to the existence shrinking country really doesn't seem to me a win situation...especially when your opponent uses thier own religious belief to founder further occupation of land and build huge fences to bifurcate societies. But hey...just my 2 cents.

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  concerned mama

  You're right, Pat. There is no easy solution, and horrible things have been done by both sides.

  I just wish for peace and an end to the killing.
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  Valis

  Why must Israel exist? Might have something to do with the abundant anti-semetism found in europe.

  so the JWs could lobby for thier own nation due to persecution? ya right...the Jewish nation started thier concept of statehood based on thier biblical claim...a load of crap as big as any Christian or Muslim invasion of another land if there ever was.

  Sincerely,

  District Overbeer
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  2escaped lifers

  Why does everyone think we need to understand hundreds of years worth of political history to try and solve the problem. We don't, and neither do the Israeli's or Palestinians(sp?), live a hundred years ago - or forty years ago - or in the 60's, 70's, etc. We, and they, live NOW. Moving on from here is what is important!

  Most of the people living in that area NOW probably know as little as we do about the complex historical circumstances that brought us to where we are today.

  For example, I'm a construction Project Manager. I've inherited large construction projects that were cluster-F#$%'s, either because the prior PM got fired or quit. I didn't, and couldn't, waste my time on researching and ascertaining how the project got so messed up. I had to focus on correcting the problems as they currently stood, and making the decisions necessary to turn the job around and finish it on-time and on-budget. In short, a successful resolution of a problem does not necessarily involve a complete and expansive knowledge of what led up to the problem.

  Another thought: Irregardless of what led up to the problems, or who was short-changed by whom, THERE IS NEVER ANY EXCUSE FOR THE WILLFUL KILLING OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS. I have not read or seen any evidence to show that the Israeli's intentionally target or intend to harm civilians. Their targets are terrorist sites or individuals. Any Palestenian casualties are basically "collateral" damage, or unintended victims. However, it is the terrorist's stated goal to murder as many innocent civilians as is possible - that's the definition of terrorism. Kill innocents to instill terror in your enemy, hoping this will cause them to change whatever it is the terrorist doesn't like. So I have nothing but praise for their targeting of, and elimination of, the leader of HAMAS. Civilized human society can no longer tolerate these backward, vicious killers.

  Brandon Bartlett
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  Simon

  Yeru, question...do you condone the terrorism committed by the Israelis?

  You seem to have blinkers on for what the Israelis do. How about we move the 'jewish homeland' and put it in ... America. Yes, we'll just tell the population of one state to piss off elsewhere and that it's not their home anymore, ship a load of people in and take all their land.

  Oh, and if anyone complains or objects they will be shot. You will all be stopped at checkpoints, given curfews, denied jobs etc...

  Now, does that seem as palatable to you?

  This is a problem caused entirely by the UK, US and dumb-ass followers of a dumb-ass book letting myths influence policy.

  What should have happened is that all the people lobbying for the state in America should have gone and lived there and stopped manipulating the US for it's own ends. I really can't believe that the US continues to allow itself to be jerked around by Israel - I have to tell you that from the European viewpoint it makes you all look like schmucks being used.
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  Dansk

  THERE IS NEVER ANY EXCUSE FOR THE WILLFUL KILLING OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS

  AMEN!

  It never ceases to amaze me! Take a newborn Muslim and bring him up a Jew. Take a newborn Jew and bring him up a Muslim. In Palestine/Israel they will likely hate each other not realising their roles have been reversed!!

  WE'RE ALL THE SAME!! We should all be learning from little children of all races and religions who will play together without prejudice (providing their parents say nothing!).

  It's all an illusion: I'm this, I'm that, we've got the truth (where've we all heard that one before?!).

  I know I ask for "too much" - and yet it's very little when examined closely. Politicians and religious leaders have much to answer for. This conflict will run and run - tit for tat - until the illusion of difference is obliterated.

  Ian
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  ozziepost

  Take a newborn Muslim and bring him up a Jew. Take a newborn Jew and bring him up a Muslim. In Palestine/Israel they will likely hate each other not realising their roles have been reversed!!

  My understanding is that this is a national cause rather than a religious one.

  Are all Palestinians Moslem? No, Palestine is a mix of Christian and Moslem - just like Britain, for that matter.

  Many Palestinian refugees have been resettled in Australia, and a large number have formed Arabic speaking churches in the state capitals.

  Arafat himself - is he Moslem? His wife certainly isn't!
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  L_A_Big_Dawg

  Simon,

  There is a Jewish homeland in America. It's called south Florida.
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  Yerusalyim

  Simon,

  You've ignored the facts of the situation is the middle east...AND...you've not answered the question...

  I do NOT condone all that Israel has done...though the overwhelming vast majority of their actions have been in self defense...

  so, I ask you...again...do you condone the terrorism committed by Hamas? If not...then why is taking out their leader bad?