Bible Mind Control is,,, Faith: belief in the unprovable,which,is glorified

by frankiespeakin 59 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    Well lets get back to the first part of the subject title: Mind Control. It's actually not so much about the book as it is about the mind itself, the bible just happens to be the data set in this case.

    I would say faith has a different connotation, although most people seem to have no clue and couldn't differentiate between that and belief anyway. If there is any externalizing like pointing to the bible as the particular book, then it may be an indication that the actual mental behavior of belief is not really seen HERE, in one's own mind. That would be missing the point just as much because it could happen again in a different form. What you believe in is not nearly as significant as the process and movement of belief - simply that you DO believe. You can argue the bible or any book is not worth believing in, and I can say the same thing about Lord of the Rings - but there's no need to draw attention to that in particular.

    In short, if you see through the behavior of belief it automatically takes care of belief in any particular thing. On the other hand, just eliminating one object/data set still leaves you open to the same unconscious behavior - that would be like always being in bad relationships. Sooner or later one has to look at what part they are playing in it and face the fact that it isn't always the other.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    The Science elite gives faith a very high value and makes faith in Theories a virtue that is rewarded with supposed knowledge.

    This,,, is what gives the Science elite strong power,,, over the mind causing it not to think clearly and see the clever control faith is

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Mark,

    Good to see you,,as always I do have a hard time trying to understand you,,but I'm sure you know that by now,LOL.

    I think I understand you on some points but other points are very hazzy. I guess the more we talk the more I will understand.

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    Frankie, likewise seeing you again the other day. Let me put it this way:

    One day you wake up and realize you've been living in Beliefland. It isn't just the Jehovah's Witness ride, but as you actually know it could be the Pentecostal ride or any number of them. They are all part of the same theme park.

    You remember that you actually paid to get into the park, and although it seemed fun in the beginning after a while you were throwing up your lunch on those rollercoasters. Besides, you realize it's just a ride. It isn't that any one ride and the story associated with it is particularly bad, you just see them for what they are. Although you might note how one ride or one kind of ride really sucks, you'd probably just want to leave the park altogether. It's all the same thing.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Sure am glad that "grace" (4/5) is free!

    Which reminds me - where is Mouthy?

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Mark,

    I get you clearer now,,you and James Thomas should talk he has similar ideas.

    I think you could be right,,its all concepts,,there is not any truth,,only what we conceptualize as truth,,which when you get to the basics of it,, is not "absolute" but merely concepts. We speak in metaphor and we think in metaphor they are not what is real,,no one can point to what is real,,they can only point to what is conceptualized as real.

    Now, look who needs explaining.LOL

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    Hi Frankie, yes I've been in contact with James.

    In a way that is what I am saying, and reality is far more immediate than that. I could sum it up by saying it's not so important what controls your mind, but rather we might ask have you noticed that you are controlled by your mind? Most people would probably think that's a normal thing, but I say you are not separate from your mind so it is really not in any kind of heirarchical relationship. What I'm talking about is of course a mind that has constructed its own reality and is always trying to impose that view on you. This is nothing but a division within yourself and we can reasonably regard it as a mental illness.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe
    ...and we can reasonably regard it as a mental illness.

    And an infectious one, at that...

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