To the Defenders of George Bush and the War in Iraq

by Greenpalmtreestillmine 208 Replies latest social current

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Saint Satan, the testimony before congress that you posted, uses ellipses and gaps, a la the Watchtower, to hide the gist of what Clark said. You can find and read the entire testimony, and you'll find that Clark was indeed against the war, even though as an intelligent and honest person, testifying before congress, he was willing to look at the issue from both a "pro", and a "con" perspective. IOW, that string of quotes misleads in much the same way many watchtower articles mislead, even thought they may quote "accurately". I suggest that if you have an honest interest, you dig a little deeper than what Matt Drudge will spoon feed you.

    As for his work for Acxiom, I see nothing untoward in it. I think the company probably has a good product that can be used to make us safer. CAPPS II has detractors sure, but it is meant to fix CAPPS 1, as I understand it. The fact that it has detractors does not mean that they have good arguments. Also, Acxiom had/has a product/service to be used by the program, it was not the program itself. I agree with Clark wholeheartedly when he says:

    "We've been worried about general aviation security for some time. The aircraft need to be secured, the airfields need to be secured, and obviously we're going to also have to go through and do a better job of screening who could fly aircraft, who the private pilots are, who owns these aircraft. So it's going to be another major effort."
    Two years after 9/11 and we still haven't done jack shit on homeland security. Foot dragging passenger aviation is what allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place.
  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    and of course this war is linked to terrorism...directly or indirectly it's linked.

    Whatever Xena. It's hard to argue with logic like that, I must admit.

  • Xena
    Xena

    I was going to post something but ya know what I am not going to be sucked into this...to much negative emotion has been wasted on it already.

    I'm going to spend my time hiding easter eggs for when my daughter gets home....just a little something we do before I send her off to war to fight for oil rights so I can drive the big ole SUV I'm gonna get...

    Wait no...I'm lying...but you knew that already didn't ya sixy???

  • roybatty
    roybatty

    Hey Xena,

    Yeah, my feelings exactly. I gave up "arguing" with them a long time ago. Anything anti-Bush is all that they're interested in. Bush could discover the cure to cancer and they'd say "oh, think about all the doctors and nurses who will loose their job." Ug!

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep
    You cannot blame the war on Iraq for 9/11. And you don't CREATE terrorists. They exist and their very nature is to engage surprise attacks and destroy the morale and will of their victims.

    why do they exist? have you ever asked yourself that question?

    Sure, and as I've said I have come to the conclusion, which many others have, that some people simply do not believe in human freedom, do not believe in a democratically elected govenrment, do not believe in human rights. They will kill and maim innocent people if they do not agree with their way of life. During CLINTON'S regime, bin Laden declared a "holy war" on the US. I sat in Europe watching other nations in the middle east and elsewhere BURN US FLAGS. Terrorist didn't just start after 9/11.

    Beside that. If someone murders a few memebers of your family, I would hazard to guess you would not spend a great deal of time trying to figure out why they hated you. You likely would spend more time trying to punish them and to make sure they didn't hurt any other members of your family.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Well believe it or not Roybatty, this isn't about Bush, though it is to a large extent about his performance and capabilities. So if he could cure cancer, I'd be applauding him. You may think of every goddamn thing having to do with politics in the last 12 years thru Bush vs. Clinton lenses, but I don't. As a Texan, my more natural inclination was to be pro-Bush, and as a witness, my more natural inclination was to have contempt for Clinton. And so it was.

    I was going to post something but ya know what I am not going to be sucked into this...to much negative emotion has been wasted on it already.

    I agree.

    I'm going to spend my time hiding easter eggs for when my daughter gets home....just a little something we do before I send her off to war to fight for oil rights so I can drive the big ole SUV I'm gonna get...

    Wait no...I'm lying...but you knew that already didn't ya sixy???

    *sigh* lol, I know you're kidding. And yet, the argument is worth having, precisely because there are thousands of people who drive big old SUV's while thousands more momma's babies are sent off to war, many who won't come home. It just may not be worth having with you I'm sorry if I insulted you.
  • wednesday
    wednesday

    Xena, and copsec, u rock!!

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Roy made an interesting point...though I'm not quite sure how it applies here...2/3's of those who served in WWII were drafted...2/3 of those that served in Vietnam were volunteers...oh...here's how it applies...Today's army is ALL Volunteer.

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep
    Living in a (supposedly) free country means just that. I can choose not to be involved in politics.

    Sure, that's the beauty of living in a free country. But remember, if you are apathetic, don't vote, and don't make an effort to have your voice heard, you won't be taken seriously when you whine about how horrible things supposedly are. Democracy is all about people having a voice in their government. Coming from CA, I am proud that we were able to get rid of a loser governer. If I sat back and just complained about him, but failed to vote or do anything, then I'M the loser.

    Democracy comes with responsbilities. If you don't want to get involved, don't want to vote but just wish to complain, then you are voluntarily operating in a non-democratic mode. You might as well be under a dictatorship, because you willingly have no voice.

  • copsec
    copsec

    Thanks Wed.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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