by UnDisfellowshipped 774 Replies latest watchtower bible
LT
Which is the fairer: Letting the first couple sin, putting the whole of mankind in the same boat; or leaving it until a few generations go by, hence setting up a two tier system of cohabiting haves and have-nots?
Forgive me LT, but, that looks to much like:
"Is there
unrighteousness with God?"D Dog
Deputy Dog,
I think that given our inability to fully even comprehend God, man probibly set up the two-tiered system. *God, in His wisdom has allowed this system to exist until the harvest.
michelle
1Timothy 6:9
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.
LT
What exactly do you mean by "two-tiered system"? Saved/unsaved, or something else?
D Dog
michelle
Didn't God know that we would misuse of our gift , before time began?
D Dog
michelle,
I agree with your post about love being the barometer by which we should measure our lives...... I agree with that wholeheartedly. In no way does this next statement intend to negate that opinion, however, in your next post you began to quote scriptures, thereby suggesting that it is the "Christian" theory of love that should solely be used for the human race.
Is that what you intended to suggest? My point is not that there is no good in Christianity because I have learned a lot of good life lessons from it, but when I, personally, began to accept other people and their beliefs as being at least equal to mine, I began to realize that they were in fact superior to me/mine, due to my close-mindedness due in part, at least, from Christianity's own self-glorification.
Brad
Dear Brad,
I quote scripture because I have used the christian Bible to get to know God. A God or entity that promotes love of others over self in any language, faith, or colour is a breath of fresh air. I don't know if entity is the right word to use. I want to distinguish between all knowing, all good and not. An entity or religion that does not promote God or a spiritual awakening or even reawakening to God would not be from God in my opinion, but at the same time this is giving man a lot of leeway to seek out God.
michelle
p.s. I agree with you that christianity, the religion, has glorified itself. God mentioned he had a problem with that in the Bible.
It seems my comments were misunderstood.
My point is this. God planned out creation before He began, yes?
If sin was inevitable at some point, which would be the fairer way to go?
A) The first couple sin and that continues through successive generation, but a sacrifice is made to bring them back into a right condition, or
B) Things go fine for a while, but then Adam's great-great-grandson eats of the tree. There's suddenly a two tier system where some have never sinned and some have. The effects of this are seen through a number of generations.
In this second hypothesis, does God let them die out, or does He provide a sacrifice for them?
If He provides a sacrifics of grace for them, then surely their end lot is better than that in the beginning, because now they are resting in the work of the sacrifice, not their own.
Now the second group are in the ascendancy (being saved), with the first group still able to sin by eating the fruit.
So what happened if they eat of it?
Is another sacrifice needed?
If not, is there any point in the refraining from eating?
This is all conjecture, I confess, but IMHO it's the ultimate route the JW mind must go down, if considering the WTS's botched explanation as to what the tree was for in the first place (i.e. a test).
Brad:
I'm exactly like every other human on this planet, but my life is happier since I have based my decisions on whether it is a loving thing or not, instead of "would it be the Christian thing to do."
Personally I don't go through that kind of deliberation. I see what's loving and just do it (usually).
I used to have difficulty with the idea of "would you watch that movie if Jesus were sitting with you?", and ever carried it over into my Christian life. I just do what I do.
Little Toe,
I inferred that your two-tier system was comprised of people that chose God and His ways and people that chose to be their own lord.
In which case it would still not be true that God set up this system but that He allowed it because of mans choice.
I like you.
michelle
p.s. because God is impartial He could not have set up a system in which He had ultimate choice of who the have and have nots would be.
and I would say again...
God gave us free will forever NOT a free ride forever.
He wants fellowship with His creation in paradise. That is why He created us, we were created fit for purpose. Evil was introduced, we choose our purpose, fellowship or not. God has a perfect place for fellowship with His children in paradise. Will you chose to be with Him.
michelle
LT
This is all conjecture, I confess, but IMHO it's the ultimate route the JW mind must go down, if considering the WTS's botched explanation as to what the tree was for in the first place (i.e. a test).
I agree, the JWs never had a clue.
If sin was inevitable at some point, which would be the fairer way to go?
We know the answer to that. The way it went is fairer. That's why I think they were created so that they "would" sin. I think scripture supports this.
"for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Notice that it does not say " for If in the day ". I think this amounts to a decree that they would sin. Just as cows eat grass, cats chase mice, lions kill to eat meat, man, wants to sin against God. I don't think Adam and Eve where in the garden very long, before their sinful nature took over. Even with a new nature, we struggle against the old.
D Dog
