DD:
Prov.12:22 doesn't carry any consequences that I see, so whilst it's a clear indication of God's feelings on the matter, is it actually a law?
You are missing the point, it may not have been a sin if there was no law regarding these things at the time but, they are not righteous acts.
Can you not concede that there was a time during which he wasn't acting unrighteously?
From creation to seeing the tree, or hearing about it, there must have been an elapse of time.
This moot point is becoming so nit-picking as to become ridiculous.
Romans 5
Verse:
- 6, 10 - The timeframe for the writing is in that present period (and subsequently up to our day and beyond)
- 12 - sin enters into the world through Adam
- 13 - Sin continued in the world by various misdeeds, however none of this could really be imputed until the Mosaic law
- 14 - clarifies that it is the Mosaic law that is being focussed upon, not any Edenic covenant
- 15-19 - further discourse on the effects of Adamic sin and necessity of grace
- 20 - the law showed up a variety of sins, however grace coveres them all
The context of this chapter is set in a debate about the requirements of the law, which Pauline theology argues against. Paul shows that it isn't the law which is incumbent upon the Christian with the power to save, but rather grace which abounds.
Chapter 4 talks specifically about those that are uncircumcised, and chapter 6 is clearly talking about something extraneous to inherited Adamic sin from the outset.
"Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound." (Romans 5:20) I wonder who Paul was speaking about here???
The whole of sinful mankind from Adam (in a fallen state) through to ourselves.
LT wrote: "What was the benefit of law in connection with Christ?"
DD wrote: as Romans 5 teaches, to bring about sin.
You what???
Law didn't bring about sin, it just revealed it as sin. From that realisation we can see our need of Christ!
LT wrote: "So by what means is God righteous?
You'll surely agree that he's not subject to law, nor able to sin."
DD wrote: By means of his authority! He determines what's right and what's not.
That's the determination as to what is right and wrong, but He acts rightly (which is really a no-brainer, since He is that absolute standard, as you alude to).
EW:
Do you think A&E would have partook of the fruit if God kept silient about the tree? (I would say no because theres no intrest)
Or did this peak their intrest right at the start.
Oh my giddy aunt!
So you're now falling on the side of the "God tempted Adam" brigade, are you?
The serpent was the tempter, remember?
Why was there no recorded hooharr made by Adam concerning the "Tree of Life", if that were the case?
Pul-ease, look at the verse "if a law had been given" In Adams case was a law given?
I would say so, but that's clearly not the (or even a) law that is being spoken of by Paul to the Galatians.
Sorry dude, he's talking about the Mosaic law again, as a refutation of the Judaisers.
Brad:
your faith is no more provable than my lack of faith
You miss my point.
I know my redeemer liveth.
You know your mom lives.
I'm not trying to convince you, for only God can do that Himself, which is the whole premise of this thread.
Why did God not create Adam and Eve at the same time?
I was leaving that for Ozzie, since you addressed it to him.
- First things first - it's a story!
- Secondly, which came first, the chicken or the egg, or did God create one of each to keep both happy
- Third - it's a story!
- Fourth - There are a couple of creation accounts in the first few chapters of the bible, likely written by different sources (see "Who Wrote the Bible")
- Fifth - how come you can't see that it's just a story, Mr. Liberal back-sliding wannabe-a-Christian?
- Sixth - There's a differentiation between God's planning cycle, as argued about earlier in the thread regarding the Lapsarian Controversy, and His realtime / runtime creation activities
- Seventh - which is a holy number and assuredly there to nail the point - dude, please - talking snake, fig leaves, spinning flamey sword type thingy - it's a story!
Of course, for the sake of argument, don't tell DD and EW that I gave you that list!
