France's WW-II Ceremony Acompanied by Protests vs. USA (page 4)

frenchbabyface

Believe me AVI we don't spit on soldiers ! Rest in Peace
But we don't want to forget about our resistants (not militarians) cause yes if they had just said amen MY OH MY ! and thanks the RUSSIANS for having being so BRAVE and SMART and the GERMANS for being so BLIND STUPID.

And we don't care what Fabius said (who is this guy LOL just kidding) ... But please people read the figures (WE SAVED OURSELF - all of us against powerfull and fool NATION)

Simon

If the Americans & British do not police rouge countries, please tell me who is going to keep North Korea in check? Who will discourage N. Korea from nuking S. Korea or Japan? Who was to contain Libia? Or Fidel Castro's Marxism? Who will discourage Pakistan from nuking Delhi?

Erm ... "newsflash" - Libya is now our friend, Pakistan is the front-line ally in the war on terror and last time I checked, Fidel had no plans to invade the US mainland.

As for "rogue countries". I think Israel is the biggest threat to world peace right now. Who should be policing it?

Double Edge

As for "rogue countries". I think Israel is the biggest threat to world peace right now. Who should be policing it?

hmmmm, why didn't Britain just stay in Palestine and keep things orderly?

Simon

I'm not sure if the Germans initiated the wholesale bombing of civilians or whether their primary targets in poland were military. If my memory of watching "the World at War" is correct, 'blitzcrieg' (sp) was ruthlessly efficient and this meant concentrating on military targets.

Britain may have been the first to target civilian populations.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/air_marshall_arthur_harris.htm

Hardly a 'high point'.

Crazy151drinker

I wonder what would have happened if Hitler had been successfully assasinated.

Narkissos

Side question: what is exactly the meaning of collective identities such as "France", "England", "America"? What is their actual permanence in time?

Coming back to WWII: where was "France" during German occupation? In Vichy's "French State" or with the resistants (officially called "terrorists" back then)? The post-war State mythology equals "France" with "resistance", hiding away a very shameful past. But even for those buying into it, this supposedly glorious past was hardly meaningful a few years later, when "France" was waging colonial wars in Indochina or Algeria using torture, murder of civilians, and so on.

Will Israeli politics be always above criticism because of the Holocaust? Are German still and forever nazis? Are the USA permanently and necessarily freedom-fighters?

History and current politics are related of course, but different too; they have to be discussed on their own and separate merits. Exactly what any State myth and propaganda always try to evade.

Gerard

Libya is now our friend, Pakistan is the front-line ally in the war on terror and last time I checked, Fidel had no plans to invade the US mainland.

I am glad you noticed. Now ask yourself: HOW did it happen.

Simon

Well, Libya happened because we stopped bombing them and playing "cowboys" (Reagan) and started TALKING.

Fidel has not been a threat for years has he (or is the US really piss weak?). Why not drop the dumb ideology and say "lets be friends". Imagine how much nicer it would be for both sides?

roybatty

The US faught with the allies against Hitler. It did not do it to come and rescue us or to save us. In fact, the US did not enter the war until Germany attacked IT. One could claim that the UK stood alone defending the US from Nazi Germany and you should be bloody thankful. But we don't. We have more sense and more respect.

Amen, Simon, here's to our bro's in arms across the pond

My grandfather faught in the south pacific, 20 years later my father faught in south-east Asia. One was a Dutch Army officier, the other in the Dutch Navy. They both agreed that Brits were the toughest soldiers they'd ever met. I guess there's an English Rambo story out there just waiting to be made.

Simon

Will Israeli politics be always above criticism because of the Holocaust?

No, but they will scream "anti-semitic" whenever their policies are questioned. The world shouldn't put up with it and America shouldn't copy it (the "anti-American" chant)

Are German still and forever nazis?

No. Not all of them were Nazis during the war and many who faught were just as much 'victims' as anyone else. They had their hero's and their villains. A concentration of evil people and circumstances that the world turned a blind eye to for too long.

Are the USA permanently and necessarily freedom-fighters?

No. Every country can do (and probably has done) great wrongs.

If you believe your side are 100% pure and freedome fighters then "welcome to the world of religious zealotry". Oh, and "vote bush"

France's WW-II Ceremony Acompanied by Protests vs. USA

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