AlanF, and other "tree falling makes a sound" realist (page 2)

onacruse

Six:

when what it is is figured out

"It" will never be figured out.

Such is the intrinsic nature of our being.

Now, you just go out and do something useful, like watching the birds fly (and asking yourself, "why don't I have wings?")

Steve:I think science has already succesfully shown that all matter consists of energy. I was taking that as a given.
I think I finally see what you're getting at.
Does how we percieve stuff affect that stuff (as in the case of experiments in quantum physics).
If that be the case, is the "power of the mind" stronger than we suspect?

How that energy takes on conscious thought in the first place, is curious though, huh?

(Six - it needn't always be about religion, ya know )

SixofNine

Well sure "it" will Onacruse; the particular it that Steve is talking about will be figured out.

Of course, like Steve pointed out about the tree falling, one may have to be able to look at things from more than one perspective to have a good grasp of the issues, and many people are very challenged in that dept.; they want rock solid answers, and we all know that rocks aren't solid.

SixofNine

(Six - it needn't always be about religion, ya know )

Have entrails, will strangle Priest

LittleToe

ROFLMAO

onacruse

Six:

look at things from more than one perspective to have a good grasp of the issues

That's exactly my point. As finite beings in an apparently infinite universe, there are an infinite number of perspectives required to have a "good grasp" of the issues. As we accumulate perspectives, we "think" we have the answers, but we don't.

Take what has happened in science over the last century. Newtonian physics was considered to be the last statement; physicists were content to 'fill in the blanks of Newton,' as if Newton's theory was the end of it all, the final answer. And then Einstein came along and "turned reality" upside down.

It's never over, and there are no final answers (unless you happen to be the Prime Cause)

Of course, this is all Bible-based.

Craig

bikerchic

Okay Stevie boy:

do not think this is an issue of whether or not physical phenomena is dependent on an observer, but rather it is about the physical world itself being dependent on the Perception of observers. Is it the solid stuff we think it to be, or is it actually very active, structured energy that we PERCEIVE as 'stuff'? How about the fact that 99.995 percent of what makes up an atom is empty space and the other .005% is not 'stuff' as we think of it. That small portion is made up of what is often called a particle/wave because sometimes it behaves like a particle and other times it behaves like a wave. In fact the only time, as far as I understand, it behaves as a particles is when we try to look at it, measure or weigh it. Yet by the time we make our observation of this particle/wave it has long ago moved on to other forms. It simply is not the 'stuff' we expected it to be according to our Newtonian perception of the world.

Does that bolded part explain why farts smell?

Kate (of the Newton was a fig class)

SixofNine

That's exactly my point.

Oh! Why don't you just say so?

onacruse

Kate:

Kate (of the Newton was a fig class)

OMG!

As a matter of public record, I want you all to know that I never met this "Kate," and have no idea what kind of drugs she's using.

siegswife

The energy the tree produced, only a small portion of which is detectable by mammals, is interpreted by our brains as a "particular auditory impression" we call sound. Without an "auditory impression", there was no experience we humans call sound.

I think it makes a sound even if no one is there to experience it. If a deaf person sees a tree falling does the tree still make a sound? All of the energy exists even if an auditary impression doesn't.

AlanF, and other "tree falling makes a sound" realist

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