by hillary_step 62 Replies latest jw friends
HEY SWORD.
I AM RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.
SOUNDS JUST LIKE YOU.
SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE WBTS
EXCEPT ONE COULD ADD "EVERYONE ELSE IS EVIL AND GOD WILL KILL THEM"
THAT SOUNDS JUST LIKE YOU AND THE WBTS ALSO.
SWORD, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF USELESS BORING TIME IN YOUR LIFE?
OR IS THERE SOME OTHER REASON FOR YOU TO BE HERE?
Outoftheorg
Hello Happyman,
I do hope you are well. I have not heard from you in a little while.
well Hilary, I am one, read the book 2 years ago,
Tell me HappyMan, did this book alter your viewpoints of the WTS in any way. Did it affect your faith in the WTS?
Best regards - HS
Valis,
I just read through some of the comments on Amazon, and this one struck me as hilarious :
This book is trying to proove that the author was unjustly removed from the JW organization. The conclusion is that if the JW remove good Raymond Frantz then they are evil. I agree with the decision of JW. Raymond Frantz was acused of apostasy. And he was guilty. He started to spread teachings opposite to Governing Body's. Every JW knows that it is the Governing Body who decides what to believe in. It freely admits that some of its teachings might be wrong but as a whole it will allow you to live forever.
lol...The question is will part of it allow you to live 75%?
Maybe the WTS should introduce introduce some new light on Field Service hours and how they impact life in Paradise. You know, 5hrs per month gets 50 years of life and sensible shoes, 10 hrs per month gets 100 yrs and do-it-yourself S8 printer, Auxiliary Pioneers get semi-everlasting life and as many Field Service bags as they can eat, Pioneers everlasting life and a shiny Concubine Harvester.
HS
Intruiging. I know that you know that Quackenbush was not unaffected by his reading of CofC. I am quite sure that most in Writing and all the GB would have read it,
LOL. Yes, they did, according to him. They wanted to see what Ray had to say about them.
whether it affected their outlook, one way or another is a different story.
Obviously, not enough.
The GB member that I know who read it became very antagonistic about the whole affair, from a previously disinterested viewpoint. He standard defence was that "it is all lies". I can understand those with managerial positions to protect taking a more pragmatic view of things exposed in the book.
Yes, a circle the wagons approach to the whole thing. Truth be damned.
Your wife however suprises me, especially as she seemed reasonable enough to discuss its contents. How is she these days?
Well, in my post she is my ex-wife and I don't know what she's doing these days. LOL. It all came down to one thing really. She was resolute in staying in the JWs. I remember she didn't see a religious alternative out there to the Watchtower, so her decision was to stick with what was the best out there, even if it had warts. By now she may be out, but I don't know. Our discussions over the years of a very long, protracted breakup, separation and eventual divorce left her with a complete view of the dark side of Watchtower. By now the information may have percolated enough to have moved her to leave, but I don't know. Last I heard, she had met someone else, and he had agreed to convert to the JWs for her so they could marry. She felt terribly alone going to the hall by herself.
In retrospect I wish I had been more understanding and kind in dealing with her doubts. But I was in such shock and so angry and upset when I figured out I'd been lied to by the WT Society I was blind to her feelings of shock and devastation. We had a nice life and it must have really torn her up that her husband would turn against the Society and totally upend our lives as we knew them.
Oh yes, Ken Ball, local kick-the-church-doors-down-and-let-'em-have-it JW legend, he's read it all and is as zealous as they come. He's mad as a hatter, IMO.
His favorite thing is to go straight to Mt 24:45, he often uses it in his presentation at the doors ("the Bible tells us that we need to identify this slave..."). For him, it's all about the FDS, he must have to brainwash himself constantly as he is a very intelligent man.
no,i don't., but I do remember regular announcements in my congregation , maybe one a year,about the book.
We were told that if you read it you would leave the 'truth' immediately, and there was a copy at the local library...an NOT, under any circumstances to go near it...very odd announcement to give...we did habe quite a few leae over the years..perhaps the reverse psychology did'nt work the way they'd hoped...
G'day HS,
In my exuberance I've often proclaimed that no-one can read COC (or ISOCF) and remain a Dub. However, I have to admit that this is not entirely true. In the main, it is true, but not always. There are some that I've given the book to who adopt the "lie low" position, just like the exceptions you've found.
For example, there's at least one (former?) poster on JWD who's read it, agrees that the Borg is "corrupt" (in his words) yet stays. Why? Having been "raised in the Troof", he says "where else have we to go?", so he's been thoroughly indoctrinated by this cult.
Still, I believe that COC/ISOCF can do no less than open the eyes of the R&F. What they then doabout it is the moot point.
Cheers, Ozzie
Hi DanTheMan, Oh yes, Ken Ball, local kick-the-church-doors-down-and-let-'em-have-it JW legend, he's read it all and is as zealous as they come. He's mad as a hatter, IMO. IS THIS THE SAME KEN BALL WHO LIVED IN THE AKRON/CLEVELAND AREA IN THE 80s (when i lived there)???? PLEASE TELL ME IT'S TRUE AND I'LL TELL A LITTLE STORY ABOUT KEN BALL
Hillary,
Just out of curiosity as well, what do you make of this item I discovered in the engines?:
Covenant News - Numerous Youth Confirmed by Covenant Congregations
... Wilmette, Illinois: Winnetka Covenant Church confirmed Julia and Jenna Clausen, Maren
Lyngso, Evan Magill, Tyler Nelson, Colin Quackenbush and Eric Wallgren on ...
www.covchurch.org/cov/news/item3681.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
Thanks, sKally
And if I may, I wanted to throw this old USENET item in, in order for anyone who hasn't read it, to do so, as it is an interesting read:
sKally
